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Why "Turkish Magician", why not "Magician"?
by andrewstuart 4y ago
Why "Turkish Magician", why not "Magician"?
- jahewson 4y agoBecause he’s from Turkey, where he was a magician.
- bhaney 4y agoYou mean Türkiye?
- jahewson 4y agoThat would be in Turkish and I’m writing in English.
- sgt 4y agoApparently it's supposed to be Türkiye in English now too. If you don't comply, you might receive a stern talking to from the ambassador!
- diegoperini 4y agoTurkish here. Let politicians use whatever name they want. "Türkiye" is hard to pronounce in English and "Turkey" worked just fine for a hundred years. I'm not gonna report you :)
- mrguyorama 4y agoDepending on the administration in the states, you could also just be assaulted by erdogan's body guards with zero recourse.
- ev1 4y agoI think parent is referring to that Türkiye is now the requested English term. https://www.trtworld.com/turkey/turkey-to-use-t%C3%BCrkiye-in-all-activities-to-strengthen-its-brand-52307 https://www.trtworld.com/turkey/turkey-to-use-t%C3%BCrkiye-i...
- lynguist 4y agoFunny thing is Türkiye is a French exonym for Turkey (la Turquie). It is not even a Turkish word or a word coined in Turkey. The suffix -iye, however, is also a suffix that is used in Turkish coined words of Persian and Arabic compounds where it means -ness or -ity: https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/یت#Ottoman_Turkish https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/یت#Ottoman_Turkish There is kurabiye (gulabiye = gulab (rosewater) + -iye), and later coins such as cumhuriyet (cumhur (general public) + -iyet). Türkiye is not such a coinage. In Ottoman Turkish Türkiye would mean Turkness.
- 01acheru 4y agoOne cannot enforce how to write or pronounce stuff in other languages, speakers of any language can call Turkey whatever they like in their language and what Erdogan decides has absolutely no value outside of Turkey.
- coolspot 4y ago
- HWR_14 4y agoHe falsely claimed to have a Turkish MD and probably used the fact that BioNTech was founded by Turkish doctors (and what he claimed is similar to what they are experimenting with vaccines for) to make himself seem closer to the real thing.
- bayesian_horse 4y agoInteresting idea, though maybe a bit convoluted. Also Uğur Şahin immigrated to Germany at the age of 4 and was educated there. Calling him a "Turkish doctor" isn't technically wrong, but...
- HWR_14 4y agoI won't want to get into the accuracy of calling Uğur Şahin Turkish, but for a period of time the "COVID vaccine was developed in Germany by Turkish immigrants" was a really popular talking point, especially in relation to some political arguments that took place in English speaking countries.
- bayesian_horse 4y agoIf somebody says "Turkish doctor" I somehow assume he means a doctor who grew up and educated in Turkey. I don't argue with people who identify as Turkish or German. I don't know if Sahin identifies as either or both. I know that it is harder for Turkish immigrants to get a good education in Germany, especially during the time he grew up in. I also don't care much about the debate of how useful immigrants are, because the result may very well be that they aren't on average that useful and that quite a large portion of criminals are immigrants. Usefulness or consequence to society should not matter for the rights of an individual. And immigration control always comes down to violating someones rights in order to somehow get rid of them if they are unwanted for some reason.
- nurettin 4y agoMakes for an interesting story. Apparently you can scam yourself to the top of the world and cause death and suffering all around even if you are not a big blue eyed turtlenecked white woman with a really deep voice.
- caffeine 4y agoIt’s factual, but I think it’s there because it sounds exotic and makes the title more interesting.
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