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I don't think there is any proof that the elite connections make any difference on average. The Dale and Krueger study in fact found evidence that there was no

by jjeaff 4y ago

I don't think there is any proof that the elite connections make any difference on average. The Dale and Krueger study in fact found evidence that there was no statistical difference in lifetime income for ivy league grads vs less elite schools when controlling for factors like sat scores. In fact, they compared people who were accepted but did not go to an ivy league vs those who did go. Other subsequent studies by others have seemed to bear that out as well. So I don't even think that too much can be made of the connections one might make at elite universities.

derbOac 4y ago
I don't know. Just as one example, I've seen here on HN ads for positions that explicitly mention (in not so many words) that they're only looking for grads from elite colleges. The UK just codified this into visa law. Income is a fuzzy thing, and distinct from opportunities. I'm always looking for empirical data to bear on a question, so the studies you're mentioning are important. But at the same time I'm sort of suspicious that something's missing from those studies based on prima facie examples I've encountered several times in my life.
- inter_netuser 4y ago
  > The UK just codified this into visa law. Really? Is there a list?
  - derbOac 4y ago
    Effectively, yes. The list isn't given directly, but is defined indirectly, explicitly in terms of other lists. The university has to be in the top 50 of two or more of certain ranking lists (which are specified): https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/30/visa-scheme-graduates-top-50-non-uk-universities-high-potential-individual https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/30/visa-schem...
  - mmarq 4y ago
    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/high-potential-individual-visa-global-universities-list/high-potential-individual-visa-global-universities-list-2020 https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/high-potential-in...
- mmarq 4y ago
  > The UK just codified this into visa law. It’s going to be very funny when they realise that nobody with a Harvard or a ETH Zurich degree is going to spend 3K£ for the privilege of moving to the UK, where they will earn a third of what they would be making home. Then the government will water it down as they did with salary requirements, finally they’ll blame the “talent” shortage on the EU and on millennials eating avocados.
  - dfadsadsf 4y ago
    That’s just not true. London is huge talent magnet and salaries/TC at top tech companies are about 75-80% of Bay Area and comparable to Zurich. London is also fun place to live compared to cultural wasteland of bay area. 3k visa fee is frankly irrelevant when you consider full cost of moving.
    - asdadsdad 4y ago
      that's ok, but then you have 2 years of visa and have to find something else to stay.
    - 908B64B197 4y ago
      > London is huge talent magnet and salaries/TC at top tech companies are about 75-80% of Bay Area and comparable to Zurich Citation needed. I've seen London attract Europeans but a lot more people are trying to jump from London to the Bay Area than the opposite. > compared to cultural wasteland of bay area. Ironically, there are two prominent Bay Area schools listed in the special interest list from the UK government. [0] [0] https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/high-potential-individual-visa-global-universities-list/high-potential-individual-visa-global-universities-list-2021 https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/high-potential-in...
      - dfadsadsf 4y ago
        Big tech offices in London are chock full of Americans - especially at staff/sr manager and above level Both Stanford and Berkley are isolated from areas they are located in and you have to be student to enjoy cultural life inside. You may visit art gallery/museum in Stanford (it's nice!) but that's pretty much it.
- jjeaff 4y ago
  And yet the majority of jobs don't require that. Was their any indication that those jobs that do require an elite education actually pay better than those that don't?

by jjeaff 4y ago

derbOac 4y ago

I don't know. Just as one example, I've seen here on HN ads for positions that explicitly mention (in not so many words) that they're only looking for grads from elite colleges. The UK just codified this into visa law. Income is a fuzzy thing, and distinct from opportunities. I'm always looking for empirical data to bear on a question, so the studies you're mentioning are important. But at the same time I'm sort of suspicious that something's missing from those studies based on prima facie examples I've encountered several times in my life.

inter_netuser 4y ago
> The UK just codified this into visa law. Really? Is there a list?
- derbOac 4y ago
  Effectively, yes. The list isn't given directly, but is defined indirectly, explicitly in terms of other lists. The university has to be in the top 50 of two or more of certain ranking lists (which are specified): https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/30/visa-scheme-graduates-top-50-non-uk-universities-high-potential-individual https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/30/visa-schem...
- mmarq 4y ago
  https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/high-potential-individual-visa-global-universities-list/high-potential-individual-visa-global-universities-list-2020 https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/high-potential-in...
mmarq 4y ago
> The UK just codified this into visa law. It’s going to be very funny when they realise that nobody with a Harvard or a ETH Zurich degree is going to spend 3K£ for the privilege of moving to the UK, where they will earn a third of what they would be making home. Then the government will water it down as they did with salary requirements, finally they’ll blame the “talent” shortage on the EU and on millennials eating avocados.
- dfadsadsf 4y ago
  That’s just not true. London is huge talent magnet and salaries/TC at top tech companies are about 75-80% of Bay Area and comparable to Zurich. London is also fun place to live compared to cultural wasteland of bay area. 3k visa fee is frankly irrelevant when you consider full cost of moving.
  - asdadsdad 4y ago
    that's ok, but then you have 2 years of visa and have to find something else to stay.
  - 908B64B197 4y ago
    > London is huge talent magnet and salaries/TC at top tech companies are about 75-80% of Bay Area and comparable to Zurich Citation needed. I've seen London attract Europeans but a lot more people are trying to jump from London to the Bay Area than the opposite. > compared to cultural wasteland of bay area. Ironically, there are two prominent Bay Area schools listed in the special interest list from the UK government. [0] [0] https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/high-potential-individual-visa-global-universities-list/high-potential-individual-visa-global-universities-list-2021 https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/high-potential-in...
    - dfadsadsf 4y ago
      Big tech offices in London are chock full of Americans - especially at staff/sr manager and above level Both Stanford and Berkley are isolated from areas they are located in and you have to be student to enjoy cultural life inside. You may visit art gallery/museum in Stanford (it's nice!) but that's pretty much it.
jjeaff 4y ago
And yet the majority of jobs don't require that. Was their any indication that those jobs that do require an elite education actually pay better than those that don't?