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firstly musk doesn't live a lavish life (not that this really matters towards my original point that being a billionaire doesn't mean you suck) for the past cou

by toolz 4y ago

firstly musk doesn't live a lavish life (not that this really matters towards my original point that being a billionaire doesn't mean you suck) for the past couple of years he's been living in a ~50k house in south texas. Back to my point, if you had the hypothetical painting you could take out a collateralized loan but you still couldn't give away your money to reduce your net worth or else you'd default on your loan - so the point still stands, you'd be a billionaire and I would argue there's nothing wrong with you being a billionaire....as to whether musk can liquidate and reduce his networth - why? Did anything meaningful change in the world when he liquidated 10 billion? To that point he did it so that he could become the individual who paid the most taxes in history and that changed basically nothing with the federal balance...in fact if you used 100% of every billionaires net worth in the US and put that towards taxes you wouldn't be able to even run the federal government for a full year on that budget - much closer to 6 months. To clarify once more - I'm saying being a billionaire doesn't mean you suck. You absolutely don't have to do anything evil to become a billionaire. The system which allows for the creation of billionaires is broken, I'm sure we agree, but it isn't musks fault that wallstreet has been allowed to create complex abstract financial devices that seemingly have done nothing but created more wealth inequality. Musk certainly benefited from these financial instruments, but you can't default to suggesting he did anything evil just because he benefited from it. In the same way that someone can value your painting at 1 billion without your input, many people have valued his company at many billions of dollars without his input. He did nothing but create a valuable company, which is the opposite of evil.

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BaseballPhysics 4y ago
> firstly musk doesn't live a lavish life The alleged sexual assaults on his private jets, among many other things, would suggest otherwise. But maybe we have a different definition of "lavish". Speaking for myself, I don't have personal masseuses on my private jets. > He did nothing but create a valuable company, which is the opposite of evil. And exploit a non-unionized labor force. And engage in illegal market manipulation and stock trading on multiple occasions, including in just the last month. And defame people on twitter because they didn't like his insane ideas. And lie about his stock sales last year (which were part of a prearranged filing way before he hosted his little PR gimmick disguised as a twitter poll). And there's the whole masseuse thing... But you're right, he's otherwise totally cool. Definitely not a narcissistic megalomaniac that's utterly obsessed with his personal image.
- toolz 4y ago
  Musk has been described by his former partner as someone who lives "below the poverty line" - do you know musk better than his ex-girlfriend? He reportedly works 120h/wk regularly. Do you spend that many hours working? I certainly don't and I would never describe someone who did as "living a lavish lifestyle". As for the allegations, I don't know how that pertains to him living a lavish lifestyle as literally anyone at any income bracket can both commit crimes and/or have crimes alleged against them and seems to only serve as your point of trying to defame musk for whatever reason. Lastly, you didn't even address the main point, which is that being a billionaire does not make you "suck".
  - arinlen 4y ago
    > Musk has been described by his former partner as someone who lives "below the poverty line" - do you know musk better than his ex-girlfriend? How many people living below the poverty line do you know who happen to live in a friend's lavish waterfront mansion in Austin, Texas? https://www.wsj.com/articles/elon-musk-says-he-lives-in-a-50-000-house-he-doesnt-talk-about-the-austin-mansion-11640188548 https://www.wsj.com/articles/elon-musk-says-he-lives-in-a-50... It's very easy to sell off your 7 luxury mansions including your family mansion in Bel Air when you can just live in any luxury mansion without your name on it. The only people who fell for the spartan shtick are gullible fans who want to believe a myth and the IRS.
    - toolz 4y ago
      or maybe the only people who accuse partners of lying are just jealous people who can't fathom the idea of having excessive wealth and not living excessively. Your article is paywalled but I don't know anyone who is making the claim that musk refuses to do luxurious things - only that it's evidently not his priority to have a life of luxury. How many hours a week do you work?
  - endorphine 4y ago
    This doesn't square with this recent story: > The business mogul [Elon Musk] was seen with Australian actress Natasha Bassett, enjoying a meal together at a very expensive hotel, where rooms cost upwards of $1,300 (£1,030) – wow. source: https://metro.co.uk/2022/05/31/elon-musk-seen-for-first-time-with-new-love-interest-natasha-bassett-16746053/ https://metro.co.uk/2022/05/31/elon-musk-seen-for-first-time...

by toolz 4y ago

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BaseballPhysics 4y ago

> firstly musk doesn't live a lavish life The alleged sexual assaults on his private jets, among many other things, would suggest otherwise. But maybe we have a different definition of "lavish". Speaking for myself, I don't have personal masseuses on my private jets. > He did nothing but create a valuable company, which is the opposite of evil. And exploit a non-unionized labor force. And engage in illegal market manipulation and stock trading on multiple occasions, including in just the last month. And defame people on twitter because they didn't like his insane ideas. And lie about his stock sales last year (which were part of a prearranged filing way before he hosted his little PR gimmick disguised as a twitter poll). And there's the whole masseuse thing... But you're right, he's otherwise totally cool. Definitely not a narcissistic megalomaniac that's utterly obsessed with his personal image.

toolz 4y ago
Musk has been described by his former partner as someone who lives "below the poverty line" - do you know musk better than his ex-girlfriend? He reportedly works 120h/wk regularly. Do you spend that many hours working? I certainly don't and I would never describe someone who did as "living a lavish lifestyle". As for the allegations, I don't know how that pertains to him living a lavish lifestyle as literally anyone at any income bracket can both commit crimes and/or have crimes alleged against them and seems to only serve as your point of trying to defame musk for whatever reason. Lastly, you didn't even address the main point, which is that being a billionaire does not make you "suck".
- arinlen 4y ago
  > Musk has been described by his former partner as someone who lives "below the poverty line" - do you know musk better than his ex-girlfriend? How many people living below the poverty line do you know who happen to live in a friend's lavish waterfront mansion in Austin, Texas? https://www.wsj.com/articles/elon-musk-says-he-lives-in-a-50-000-house-he-doesnt-talk-about-the-austin-mansion-11640188548 https://www.wsj.com/articles/elon-musk-says-he-lives-in-a-50... It's very easy to sell off your 7 luxury mansions including your family mansion in Bel Air when you can just live in any luxury mansion without your name on it. The only people who fell for the spartan shtick are gullible fans who want to believe a myth and the IRS.
  - toolz 4y ago
    or maybe the only people who accuse partners of lying are just jealous people who can't fathom the idea of having excessive wealth and not living excessively. Your article is paywalled but I don't know anyone who is making the claim that musk refuses to do luxurious things - only that it's evidently not his priority to have a life of luxury. How many hours a week do you work?
- endorphine 4y ago
  This doesn't square with this recent story: > The business mogul [Elon Musk] was seen with Australian actress Natasha Bassett, enjoying a meal together at a very expensive hotel, where rooms cost upwards of $1,300 (£1,030) – wow. source: https://metro.co.uk/2022/05/31/elon-musk-seen-for-first-time-with-new-love-interest-natasha-bassett-16746053/ https://metro.co.uk/2022/05/31/elon-musk-seen-for-first-time...