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Thank you! 1. All 3D assets and music was done by our contractors. All paid work. On average, one model is probably around $500. 2. C#. We both were familiar

Thank you! 1. All 3D assets and music was done by our contractors. All paid work. On average, one model is probably around $500. 2. C#. We both were familiar with it and it is a great language. Lots of nice features, easy to work with, lots of tools, less error prone (looking at you C++), has reflection (very helpful for serialization and code gen), and if you know what you are doing, it can be very performant (avoid allocations, use structs, etc). 3. Great question, yeah, our project is separated to code and graphics. All code is in separate project completely decoupled from Unity. Unity just gets a compiled DLL. Unity has only assets that are referenced by string paths. We also have a separate projects for "data", where all the game entities are instantiated and filled with data. Core project has just functionality with no data. The entire game is one "scene" in Unity, we manage everything internally (like main menu vs. game). 4. We started in 2D, but it seemed "lame", not good looking. Very quickly we started prototyping in 3D and that felt better. Especially the dynamic terrain and mining.

hoten 4y ago
So what exactly is the utility of Unity in this setup then?
- iliketrains 4y ago
  It is basically a big rendering library, providing C# APIs for rendering and sound. It also packages all assets, and can be used as editor.
  - mentos 4y ago
    Awesome, I’ve been developing with Unreal since 2014 recently checked out C# support with UnrealCLR it’s very basic but probably enough to create an API between your game code and Unreal. Really curious to know what level of granularity your API is at?
    - iliketrains 4y ago
      Nice! I was not aware that Unreal has C# support. Making Unreal rendering layer would obviously be a huge task. Our current solution is overfit to Unity since the separation was done for ease of development and testing, not for support of different renderers. However, the communication between core sim and rendering is mostly based on (custom) events. Sim runs in a separate thread. Once it is done, renderer can read data (sync) and launch the sim for another iteration. We do this at 10 Hz. In the meantime, the renderer should interpolate all moving objects from state (t-1) to (t) so that movements are smooth (say for target of 60 FPS). For example, a `TreeRenderer` can listen to `TreeManager.TreeAdded(TreeId id)` and `TreeManager.TreeRemoved(TreeId id)`, and handle rendering of the trees however it pleases. Trees don't move so this one is easy. `VehiclesRenderer` has to also update a vehicle state on every sync. One can also inspect sim state without usage of events. For example, our debug renderer just draws a picture of a game state by simply looping over all entities. Reality is of course much more complex. If you happen to own the game, our DLLs are non-obfuscated and quite easy to read with tools like ILSpy :)
      - mentos 4y ago
        Awesome thank you for that insight sounds great ! If I had any free time would be a fun project to try to implement the API in Unreal but really not necessary game looks great amazing work!
      - BorisTheBrave 4y ago
        So, just to be clear, you have almost no Unity objects in your scene. The tree renderer reads data from your core game lib, and draws it. Which Unity API do you use for the actual drawing?
  - cloudmike 4y ago
    Very interesting. Like the sibling comment, I'm also curious about your API for this. I've been using Unity in a similar way but with Luau (a gradually typed Lua by Roblox) for the API. It's been very educational to treat Unity as a box like this, and I've been making the Luau API very high-level, often following Roblox patterns (more coarsely grained). As a side-effect of this separation, it's also refreshing to have the option to make everything work with other engines.
  - digitalmouse 4y ago
    Reminds of flashpunk and flixel
devortel 4y ago
> On average, one model is probably around $500. That's a pretty impressive budget, there must be hundreds of models in the game.
- davnn 4y ago
  On a related note, how did you fund the development over such a long timeframe?
  - dymk 4y ago
    From the OP, looks like five years working on it part-time while having another job, so presumably that funded it. And then one year of full time game development.
hahamrfunnyguy 4y ago
It sounds like you had several different contractors working on it, so what steps did you take to ensure a consistent art style?
- iliketrains 4y ago
  Yes, multiple, three stayed with us for more than a year and are mentioned in Credits. Initially, we asked them to do things "realistically", but not looking too brand new. Eventually, we had a good set of models that we could use as a style reference. We had to redo some models that were not fitting the style and we still have a list of models to improve. One thing that we learned early is that all models need to have a common scale, otherwise details like doors look bad when scaled differently on each model. We have established a metric system, each tile in game is 2x2 m, all railings are 1m tall, all doors are 2m, etc. Now we have a doc with all our notes regarding style and rules that we share with new artists.

hoten 4y ago

So what exactly is the utility of Unity in this setup then?

iliketrains 4y ago
It is basically a big rendering library, providing C# APIs for rendering and sound. It also packages all assets, and can be used as editor.
- mentos 4y ago
  Awesome, I’ve been developing with Unreal since 2014 recently checked out C# support with UnrealCLR it’s very basic but probably enough to create an API between your game code and Unreal. Really curious to know what level of granularity your API is at?
  - iliketrains 4y ago
    Nice! I was not aware that Unreal has C# support. Making Unreal rendering layer would obviously be a huge task. Our current solution is overfit to Unity since the separation was done for ease of development and testing, not for support of different renderers. However, the communication between core sim and rendering is mostly based on (custom) events. Sim runs in a separate thread. Once it is done, renderer can read data (sync) and launch the sim for another iteration. We do this at 10 Hz. In the meantime, the renderer should interpolate all moving objects from state (t-1) to (t) so that movements are smooth (say for target of 60 FPS). For example, a `TreeRenderer` can listen to `TreeManager.TreeAdded(TreeId id)` and `TreeManager.TreeRemoved(TreeId id)`, and handle rendering of the trees however it pleases. Trees don't move so this one is easy. `VehiclesRenderer` has to also update a vehicle state on every sync. One can also inspect sim state without usage of events. For example, our debug renderer just draws a picture of a game state by simply looping over all entities. Reality is of course much more complex. If you happen to own the game, our DLLs are non-obfuscated and quite easy to read with tools like ILSpy :)
    - mentos 4y ago
      Awesome thank you for that insight sounds great ! If I had any free time would be a fun project to try to implement the API in Unreal but really not necessary game looks great amazing work!
    - BorisTheBrave 4y ago
      So, just to be clear, you have almost no Unity objects in your scene. The tree renderer reads data from your core game lib, and draws it. Which Unity API do you use for the actual drawing?
- cloudmike 4y ago
  Very interesting. Like the sibling comment, I'm also curious about your API for this. I've been using Unity in a similar way but with Luau (a gradually typed Lua by Roblox) for the API. It's been very educational to treat Unity as a box like this, and I've been making the Luau API very high-level, often following Roblox patterns (more coarsely grained). As a side-effect of this separation, it's also refreshing to have the option to make everything work with other engines.
- digitalmouse 4y ago
  Reminds of flashpunk and flixel

devortel 4y ago

> On average, one model is probably around $500. That's a pretty impressive budget, there must be hundreds of models in the game.

davnn 4y ago
On a related note, how did you fund the development over such a long timeframe?
- dymk 4y ago
  From the OP, looks like five years working on it part-time while having another job, so presumably that funded it. And then one year of full time game development.

hahamrfunnyguy 4y ago

It sounds like you had several different contractors working on it, so what steps did you take to ensure a consistent art style?

iliketrains 4y ago
Yes, multiple, three stayed with us for more than a year and are mentioned in Credits. Initially, we asked them to do things "realistically", but not looking too brand new. Eventually, we had a good set of models that we could use as a style reference. We had to redo some models that were not fitting the style and we still have a list of models to improve. One thing that we learned early is that all models need to have a common scale, otherwise details like doors look bad when scaled differently on each model. We have established a metric system, each tile in game is 2x2 m, all railings are 1m tall, all doors are 2m, etc. Now we have a doc with all our notes regarding style and rules that we share with new artists.