> From my experience, Kubernetes drastically reduces the number of DevOps people required. My current place has a team of 5, compared to a similarly sized, vmwa

> From my experience, Kubernetes drastically reduces the number of DevOps people required. My current place has a team of 5, compared to a similarly sized, vmware-centric place I worked at a decade ago with a team of 14. Is that K8s, or that you've outsourced hosting, storage and stateful storage to cloud services? I suspect that things are much easier to automate effectively, and the knowledge for automating things is much more common.