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I'm against companies tracking my whereabouts and wanting to know everything about my personal life. However. Here's what the "charges" are as per the statement

by octobus2021 4y ago

I'm against companies tracking my whereabouts and wanting to know everything about my personal life. However. Here's what the "charges" are as per the statement: >The investigation concluded that Tim Hortons’ continual and vast collection of location information was not proportional to the benefits Tim Hortons may have hoped to gain from better targeted promotion of its coffee and other products. So it's obviously ok for a business to collect information. This includes information _legally_ collected from customers' phones (I'm sure everybody just clicks OK agreeing to the terms when installing the app). So what's the issue? That the amount is "vast"? That it's "continuous"? That it's "not proportional to the benefits"? Who decides what's vast and what's not, what's proportional and what's not? I'm really not getting what they're being accused of doing. They got a lot of data and had no clue what to do with it (missed opportunity if you ask me), is that a crime now?

DebtDeflation 4y ago
I may be in the minority here but IMO the only really legitimate purpose a "Tim Horton's app" would have for accessing location data would be to push offers to you when you're near one of their stores, and that should be opt-in not a default. Also, there's no legitimate reason for them to actually be storing the data - it's an app that you use to purchase coffee from retail locations, it doesn't need to track me 24/7 and store the info in a database. The number of apps that ask me for permission to access my Location, Contacts, Phone, Microphone, Camera, etc. is appalling. I feel like we need to revisit the whole idea of telemetry in mobile apps, like start over from scratch.
- MiddleEndian 4y ago
  >I feel like we need to revisit the whole idea of telemetry in mobile apps, like start over from scratch. Also the operating systems. You get a new Android phone, Google Maps randomly comes up and tells you "Hey you're at this location, want to do this check-in bullshit?" even though it wasn't previously open. And yet, the app list button only shows a few things that have viewable windows, no easy way to see every background task that's running adn presumably spying on you. It's designed like this deliberately.
  - octobus2021 4y ago
    There're ways to get rid of all of it already. Get a dumbphone/featurephone, install open source OS, or even get a phone with one installed. Yes, they're more expensive and way less polished. Android is way more developed, has a large number of apps, and it's free (at least Android OS itself). Why do you think that is? Who do you think is paying for all that?
hughw 4y ago
Yes, it is a crime.
- octobus2021 4y ago
  In case if it was not clear from the way I phrased my question, it doesn't make any sense. The business _legally_ collected marketing information and then got fined because they collected too much, did it for too long, or didn't make a good use of it. I just don't get it.
  - quickthrower2 4y ago
    Laws can turn things that are on their own legal, like using an accelerator when driving a car into criminal, like speeding, when done in a way that violates that law.
LegitShady 4y ago
>Who decides what's vast and what's not, what's proportional and what's not? The people who conducted the investigation - the Office of the Privacy Commissioner of Canada

DebtDeflation 4y ago

I may be in the minority here but IMO the only really legitimate purpose a "Tim Horton's app" would have for accessing location data would be to push offers to you when you're near one of their stores, and that should be opt-in not a default. Also, there's no legitimate reason for them to actually be storing the data - it's an app that you use to purchase coffee from retail locations, it doesn't need to track me 24/7 and store the info in a database. The number of apps that ask me for permission to access my Location, Contacts, Phone, Microphone, Camera, etc. is appalling. I feel like we need to revisit the whole idea of telemetry in mobile apps, like start over from scratch.

MiddleEndian 4y ago
>I feel like we need to revisit the whole idea of telemetry in mobile apps, like start over from scratch. Also the operating systems. You get a new Android phone, Google Maps randomly comes up and tells you "Hey you're at this location, want to do this check-in bullshit?" even though it wasn't previously open. And yet, the app list button only shows a few things that have viewable windows, no easy way to see every background task that's running adn presumably spying on you. It's designed like this deliberately.
- octobus2021 4y ago
  There're ways to get rid of all of it already. Get a dumbphone/featurephone, install open source OS, or even get a phone with one installed. Yes, they're more expensive and way less polished. Android is way more developed, has a large number of apps, and it's free (at least Android OS itself). Why do you think that is? Who do you think is paying for all that?

hughw 4y ago

Yes, it is a crime.

octobus2021 4y ago
In case if it was not clear from the way I phrased my question, it doesn't make any sense. The business _legally_ collected marketing information and then got fined because they collected too much, did it for too long, or didn't make a good use of it. I just don't get it.
- quickthrower2 4y ago
  Laws can turn things that are on their own legal, like using an accelerator when driving a car into criminal, like speeding, when done in a way that violates that law.

LegitShady 4y ago

>Who decides what's vast and what's not, what's proportional and what's not? The people who conducted the investigation - the Office of the Privacy Commissioner of Canada