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The weather control theory is still very prevalent.

by derac 4y ago

ncmncm 4y ago
They handed it over to the scientists.
dylan604 4y ago
The idea that HAARP caused the massive flooding of the Mississipi in the 90s by causing the jet stream to move is still held strongly today.
arein3 4y ago
Supposedly Mr. Trump asked about weather control when in office and supposedly was disappointed there was supposedly none. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/may/10/donald-trump-china-hurricanes https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/may/10/donald-trump... The guardian's commentary tries to ridicule Trump but he makes sense. If you can make tsunamis with bombs and can stop hail by bombing the clouds when they are still forming maybe there could be a way to stop/create hurricanes. No harm in asking.
- Analemma_ 4y ago
  The problem with "stopping hurricanes" is that even if we figured out a way to interrupt their formation, hurricanes ultimately stem from the temperature gradient between the ocean at low latitudes and at high latitudes - a hurricane carries heat away from the equator, warming the high latitudes and cooling the lower ones. If you somehow interrupt that process, the gradient just gets steeper with even more potential energy available, leading to a bigger, more destructive hurricane later on.
  - wumpus 4y ago
    Can you point out a source that discusses this? I've never heard of it before.
  - mlyle 4y ago
    A lot of the proposed approaches involve deliberately stirring water in ways that disrupt this surface temp gradient. E.g. stirring water vertically, pulling up colder water from below.
    - not2b 4y ago
      But given the massive amounts of energy hurricanes release, it would seem that a similarly massive amount of energy would be needed to move enough water to have an effect.
      - mlyle 4y ago
        > But given the massive amounts of energy hurricanes release, it would seem that a similarly massive amount of energy ... Cooling-- moving heat from one place to another-- doesn't need to be so energy intensive. And it doesn't necessarily require active energy input. Anything that just improves vertical mixing will cool the surface water. E.g. the Salter Sink is a clever passive tube and valve arrangement that uses wave action to defeat thermoclines that otherwise prevent mixing.
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- not2b 4y ago
  No, the idea doesn't make sense, because the energy released by a hurricane is a factor of ten thousand times that released by a nuclear bomb. The most you could do is maybe redirect that energy because it has to be released somehow. Maybe you could change the path but it's a chaotic system, you might change the path for the worse.

The weather control theory is still very prevalent.

by derac 4y ago

The weather control theory is still very prevalent.

ncmncm 4y ago

They handed it over to the scientists.

dylan604 4y ago

The idea that HAARP caused the massive flooding of the Mississipi in the 90s by causing the jet stream to move is still held strongly today.

arein3 4y ago

Supposedly Mr. Trump asked about weather control when in office and supposedly was disappointed there was supposedly none. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/may/10/donald-trump-china-hurricanes https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/may/10/donald-trump... The guardian's commentary tries to ridicule Trump but he makes sense. If you can make tsunamis with bombs and can stop hail by bombing the clouds when they are still forming maybe there could be a way to stop/create hurricanes. No harm in asking.

Analemma_ 4y ago
The problem with "stopping hurricanes" is that even if we figured out a way to interrupt their formation, hurricanes ultimately stem from the temperature gradient between the ocean at low latitudes and at high latitudes - a hurricane carries heat away from the equator, warming the high latitudes and cooling the lower ones. If you somehow interrupt that process, the gradient just gets steeper with even more potential energy available, leading to a bigger, more destructive hurricane later on.
- wumpus 4y ago
  Can you point out a source that discusses this? I've never heard of it before.
- mlyle 4y ago
  A lot of the proposed approaches involve deliberately stirring water in ways that disrupt this surface temp gradient. E.g. stirring water vertically, pulling up colder water from below.
  - not2b 4y ago
    But given the massive amounts of energy hurricanes release, it would seem that a similarly massive amount of energy would be needed to move enough water to have an effect.
    - mlyle 4y ago
      > But given the massive amounts of energy hurricanes release, it would seem that a similarly massive amount of energy ... Cooling-- moving heat from one place to another-- doesn't need to be so energy intensive. And it doesn't necessarily require active energy input. Anything that just improves vertical mixing will cool the surface water. E.g. the Salter Sink is a clever passive tube and valve arrangement that uses wave action to defeat thermoclines that otherwise prevent mixing.
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not2b 4y ago
No, the idea doesn't make sense, because the energy released by a hurricane is a factor of ten thousand times that released by a nuclear bomb. The most you could do is maybe redirect that energy because it has to be released somehow. Maybe you could change the path but it's a chaotic system, you might change the path for the worse.