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Thanks for posting. Something about this rubs me the wrong way, so I read it a couple times to help me formulate my feedback. I think the problem I have with t

Thanks for posting. Something about this rubs me the wrong way, so I read it a couple times to help me formulate my feedback. I think the problem I have with this is that I can't create the same level of abstraction on the 'modern system' and 'slavery' that the author does. I'm not offended by the use of slavery as a point of comparison, but I don't think that it's really compared to the 'modern system' in a useful way. They are so many leagues apart, which can't be shown through the logical comparisons present in the article. Also, the examples of entanglement aren't really inescapable evils that the argument requires (I'm looking at you car and iphone). I have no doubt those evils are out there. But, you say, I'm missing the point. True enough, and I think there's a good point in this post that can be teased out through a little more revision. I think the payoff is at the end...the portion on disentangling. This is the hacker ethos, yes? Recognizing the artificial/restrictions and subverting it to make your life better. The best part of the article was where the author linked to his/her startup; it really shows where the logic is taking us. I guess I'd prefer it if this were more explicit in the conclusion (and probably more appealing to the people in this venue, although the many supportive comments indicate that many make this logical connection automatically). Again: Thanks.

guylhem 15y ago
"Recognizing the artificial/restrictions and subverting it to make your life better" - I think we all strive to do that. Like you, I have some reserves will the article, but it definitely rings a bell. Yet how exactly is creating a company any better? If you keep servicing other people interest, it could be called an illusion of freedom. You will compromise yourself at a time or another. If you hire people to really get your freedom, it's subjugating others, and it may not be any better if you consider other persons besides yourself also matter. There's another great article on HN at the moment - passion and professionalism (http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/6523/the_designers_notebook_passion_.php?print=1 http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/6523/the_designers_not...), that explores this on a one-person basis. Passion is great but it can become a self-imposed slavery too.
- rick888 15y ago
  "Yet how exactly is creating a company any better? If you keep servicing other people interest, it could be called an illusion of freedom" If you sell a product or service, you get to choose what goes into that product or service. Look at apple: If they listened to the general public, the Ipad would have never been released. " You will compromise yourself at a time or another." You don't ever need to. Plenty of companies release what they want and it just so happens to coincide with what other people want.
Charlie_B 15y ago
Thanks for the feedback - you make some good points. I started from the point of slavery mostly in response to other authors who describe the modern system of employee/employer as slavery, which I think is the wrong word, but it seems I didn't do quite a good enough job of making that clear. It isn't that consumerism & 50 hour work weeks are inescapable, only that they are difficult to escape and remain in mainstream society at the same time. Looking at people who have chosen alternate lifestyles (Like ERE or being a bum as someone else pointed out) are often marginalized ans ostracized - the system does not seem to like that they challenge the basic assumptions of what is good about our society. I personally have been trying to bootstrap a startup as a way to escape some of the control a 9-5 brings with it, but I don't see entrepreneurship as a catch-all solution. As another article I am working on will point out, Startups are better off in some areas but are also often forced to trade off in others. Depending on the structure, leading a startup may often be worse from a lifestyle design perspective than working for a corporation. I don't have a general purpose "solution" to the problem of dis-satisfaction in modern society, but I do know that what we have going for us is sub-optimal, and I would like to find alternate ways of living and structuring society to address some of the issues I tried to bring to light. Thanks for the feedback - I think perhaps I will expand on the areas you mention in the future to help make it more clear. I would appreciate your input :)

guylhem 15y ago

"Recognizing the artificial/restrictions and subverting it to make your life better" - I think we all strive to do that. Like you, I have some reserves will the article, but it definitely rings a bell. Yet how exactly is creating a company any better? If you keep servicing other people interest, it could be called an illusion of freedom. You will compromise yourself at a time or another. If you hire people to really get your freedom, it's subjugating others, and it may not be any better if you consider other persons besides yourself also matter. There's another great article on HN at the moment - passion and professionalism (http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/6523/the_designers_notebook_passion_.php?print=1 http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/6523/the_designers_not...), that explores this on a one-person basis. Passion is great but it can become a self-imposed slavery too.

rick888 15y ago
"Yet how exactly is creating a company any better? If you keep servicing other people interest, it could be called an illusion of freedom" If you sell a product or service, you get to choose what goes into that product or service. Look at apple: If they listened to the general public, the Ipad would have never been released. " You will compromise yourself at a time or another." You don't ever need to. Plenty of companies release what they want and it just so happens to coincide with what other people want.

Charlie_B 15y ago

Thanks for the feedback - you make some good points. I started from the point of slavery mostly in response to other authors who describe the modern system of employee/employer as slavery, which I think is the wrong word, but it seems I didn't do quite a good enough job of making that clear. It isn't that consumerism & 50 hour work weeks are inescapable, only that they are difficult to escape and remain in mainstream society at the same time. Looking at people who have chosen alternate lifestyles (Like ERE or being a bum as someone else pointed out) are often marginalized ans ostracized - the system does not seem to like that they challenge the basic assumptions of what is good about our society. I personally have been trying to bootstrap a startup as a way to escape some of the control a 9-5 brings with it, but I don't see entrepreneurship as a catch-all solution. As another article I am working on will point out, Startups are better off in some areas but are also often forced to trade off in others. Depending on the structure, leading a startup may often be worse from a lifestyle design perspective than working for a corporation. I don't have a general purpose "solution" to the problem of dis-satisfaction in modern society, but I do know that what we have going for us is sub-optimal, and I would like to find alternate ways of living and structuring society to address some of the issues I tried to bring to light. Thanks for the feedback - I think perhaps I will expand on the areas you mention in the future to help make it more clear. I would appreciate your input :)