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No this is just Elon being Elon (seeking attention at any cost). There are always parts of companies that need people on site to do x or y job but for the most

No this is just Elon being Elon (seeking attention at any cost). There are always parts of companies that need people on site to do x or y job but for the most part the pandemic has forever changed how work is done. If you've got the skills that are in demand you can always quit and go work somewhere else where remote is still an option.

systemvoltage 4y ago
No, this is just going back to normality. This is how it was in 2019. IMO certain professions may be ok with remote but for the most part, the kind of work Tesla does, remote work is suboptimal. We are going to see a bifurcation of companies that adopt either strategies. Time will tell.
- outworlder 4y ago
  > the kind of work Tesla does, remote work is suboptimal. What's _the kind of work Tesla does_? Sure, remote assembly may be suboptimal. What about software development? Operations? Etc. You don't need face to face all the time. But sure, be a dick and give a one week deadline for people to adjust again and see how it goes.
  - smnrchrds 4y ago
    > What's the kind of work Tesla does? I am having trouble thinking of a job that requires a minimum of 40 hours in the office plus untold many hours that can be done either remotely or in the office.
  - systemvoltage 4y ago
    I sense a bit of frustration and rudeness in your response, not sure why. I've worked as a engineer (not software) and most of the things get done in person, in the lab and in cubicles. Brainstorm on physical objects, looking at CAD models and comparing geometry, reviewing drawings, troubleshooting manufacturing problems, etc. Even operations requires interfacing with manufacturing leads which are in the factory. If you have an axe to grind about WFH, probably should work as a non-software engineer or talk to someone who does and have a sense that perhaps your view is biased towards a particular type of personality that you may have. Even amongst software engineers, there is a debate about how well WFH works.
- darth_avocado 4y ago
  > The kind of work Tesla does The factory workers are already in the factories. The ones remote are the ones who can do their work remote and the company has only broken records since the pandemic started with remote work. Elon himself says, you can do remote work, after you’ve been in the office for 40 hours, implying, that remote work is totally possible
  - HWR_14 4y ago
    > Elon himself says, you can do remote work, after you’ve been in the office for 40 hours, implying, that remote work is totally possible You took that seriously? It was clearly a joke.
mjr00 4y ago
> If you've got the skills that are in demand you can always quit and go work somewhere else where remote is still an option. You could say this about any shitty part of tech work though. Software devs won't be put on 24/7 on-call rotations because they can just quit and work somewhere else. Software devs won't be forced to put together a quick hack because they can just quit and work somewhere else. Software devs won't be forced to work nights and weekends to meet an arbitrary deadline because they can just quit and work somewhere else. For whatever reason, it doesn't end up being that simple.
- jrockway 4y ago
  The cost of switching is pretty high. Interviews, background checks, filling out your W4, coming up to speed on a new team with new processes, etc. It ain't free or 0 stress. To get around the interviews, I think this is why some people always have interview processes going on in the background, even if they're not looking for a job. Then when they want to rage quit to make a point, they can easily land on their feet. (It is annoying when you interview people that don't accept your offer, but what can you do.) A lot of what makes people want to leave companies is the simple nature of working with other people in a for-profit enterprise. That is not going to change by moving to another for-profit enterprise. So those people probably feel pretty stuck regardless of how good the market is.
  - swader999 4y ago
    That was 2010 thinking, in the twenties, you have 2-3 FTE jobs going at once and drop the worst one periodically as you bring on additional employers.
    - zrail 4y ago
      I still don't understand how people find time to do this. The overhead from switching all the time would kill my productivity and take a bunch of time away from what I actually want to be doing, which is not working.
      - 4y ago
fortran77 4y ago
It's not like you can build rockets or cars at home.
- ironman1478 4y ago
  You sort of can! I work in hw for an av company and we make it work. There are some people who are required to come in, but a lot of hw development is data analysis and/or done in cad. You don't need to go into the office for that.
summertime42 4y ago
This this this. I've been at plenty of gigs where everyone is all around the world. It's too late to go back, and good riddance! :D
tootie 4y ago
It's not just Elon. A few other prominent and less prominent CEOs are pushing the same agenda. My former employer went the other direction and opted to not renew any leases on office space. So I think this is going to be a point of friction for a while and we'll see some varied approaches but I also think remote work is definitely going to win.
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systemvoltage 4y ago

No, this is just going back to normality. This is how it was in 2019. IMO certain professions may be ok with remote but for the most part, the kind of work Tesla does, remote work is suboptimal. We are going to see a bifurcation of companies that adopt either strategies. Time will tell.

outworlder 4y ago
> the kind of work Tesla does, remote work is suboptimal. What's _the kind of work Tesla does_? Sure, remote assembly may be suboptimal. What about software development? Operations? Etc. You don't need face to face all the time. But sure, be a dick and give a one week deadline for people to adjust again and see how it goes.
- smnrchrds 4y ago
  > What's the kind of work Tesla does? I am having trouble thinking of a job that requires a minimum of 40 hours in the office plus untold many hours that can be done either remotely or in the office.
- systemvoltage 4y ago
  I sense a bit of frustration and rudeness in your response, not sure why. I've worked as a engineer (not software) and most of the things get done in person, in the lab and in cubicles. Brainstorm on physical objects, looking at CAD models and comparing geometry, reviewing drawings, troubleshooting manufacturing problems, etc. Even operations requires interfacing with manufacturing leads which are in the factory. If you have an axe to grind about WFH, probably should work as a non-software engineer or talk to someone who does and have a sense that perhaps your view is biased towards a particular type of personality that you may have. Even amongst software engineers, there is a debate about how well WFH works.
darth_avocado 4y ago
> The kind of work Tesla does The factory workers are already in the factories. The ones remote are the ones who can do their work remote and the company has only broken records since the pandemic started with remote work. Elon himself says, you can do remote work, after you’ve been in the office for 40 hours, implying, that remote work is totally possible
- HWR_14 4y ago
  > Elon himself says, you can do remote work, after you’ve been in the office for 40 hours, implying, that remote work is totally possible You took that seriously? It was clearly a joke.

mjr00 4y ago

> If you've got the skills that are in demand you can always quit and go work somewhere else where remote is still an option. You could say this about any shitty part of tech work though. Software devs won't be put on 24/7 on-call rotations because they can just quit and work somewhere else. Software devs won't be forced to put together a quick hack because they can just quit and work somewhere else. Software devs won't be forced to work nights and weekends to meet an arbitrary deadline because they can just quit and work somewhere else. For whatever reason, it doesn't end up being that simple.

jrockway 4y ago
The cost of switching is pretty high. Interviews, background checks, filling out your W4, coming up to speed on a new team with new processes, etc. It ain't free or 0 stress. To get around the interviews, I think this is why some people always have interview processes going on in the background, even if they're not looking for a job. Then when they want to rage quit to make a point, they can easily land on their feet. (It is annoying when you interview people that don't accept your offer, but what can you do.) A lot of what makes people want to leave companies is the simple nature of working with other people in a for-profit enterprise. That is not going to change by moving to another for-profit enterprise. So those people probably feel pretty stuck regardless of how good the market is.
- swader999 4y ago
  That was 2010 thinking, in the twenties, you have 2-3 FTE jobs going at once and drop the worst one periodically as you bring on additional employers.
  - zrail 4y ago
    I still don't understand how people find time to do this. The overhead from switching all the time would kill my productivity and take a bunch of time away from what I actually want to be doing, which is not working.
    - 4y ago

fortran77 4y ago

It's not like you can build rockets or cars at home.

ironman1478 4y ago
You sort of can! I work in hw for an av company and we make it work. There are some people who are required to come in, but a lot of hw development is data analysis and/or done in cad. You don't need to go into the office for that.

summertime42 4y ago

This this this. I've been at plenty of gigs where everyone is all around the world. It's too late to go back, and good riddance! :D

tootie 4y ago

It's not just Elon. A few other prominent and less prominent CEOs are pushing the same agenda. My former employer went the other direction and opted to not renew any leases on office space. So I think this is going to be a point of friction for a while and we'll see some varied approaches but I also think remote work is definitely going to win.

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