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To the sibling to this, who presumably won't see it. > So you don’t remember 9/11 Correct, I don't remember the actual event. Just observed the trauma and fea
by Shared404 4y ago
To the sibling to this, who presumably won't see it.
> So you don’t remember 9/11
Correct, I don't remember the actual event. Just observed the trauma and fear that it inflicted, as most people of voting age at the time rallied to work together and... decrease our rights and blow up brown people.
And the terror, on everyone's face when they talked about it.
The videos in school where we watched clips of it happen, again and again, each year.
So no, I don't remember it live, but that was in response to the "you've _lived_ through" portion of the above comment, or I would've skipped it anyways.
> and were being raised in a two parent household during the housing crash
Ha. I'm not going into detail here on that aspect of my life, but you're laughable here.
> while a “war” (actually an occupation of two countries) you were totally disconnected from went on overseas?
Legally still a war, resulting in perpetuation of PATRIOT et al.
> And you were going to school all through this after when school shootings actually shocked the nation?
"Haha, your generation and everyone else has become desensitized to the fact that every few months some lunatic shoots up a school/nightclub/party/$EVENT"
... yes, that's literally the point.
> And you still didn’t learn that it’s spelled Capitol?
That one's on me. Guess I shouldn't HN late at night after work/school.
> And you think that we’re closer to nuclear war now than we were in the 00s and 90s (sorry, that’s unfair: you don’t even remember the 90s)?
Based on my analysis of everyone's reactions around me? Yes. Based on the fact that there's a cancer-ridden egomaniac in charge of one of the worlds largest nuclear arsenals, and he seems determined to win at all costs? Yes.
If I'm wrong I'd love to be corrected, but the only evidence you've provided are ad hominem attacks.
> All while living in an era of expanded “human rights” from the very political establishments that you apparently now think are going to destroy society?
/me facepalms
That's the point. That's the freaking point. People made progress, and now there are people in positions of power actively trying to undo said progress.
I have listened to some of these talking heads call me a demon, ask "when do we start using the guns?", say I deserve to die.
And yet they keep getting more powerful.
> Sorry, but your generation has never known adversity until 2020 and you grew up in one of the most peaceful times in human history. You’re part of the touchscreen generation. You’re a Zoomer. Even your generation’s name is soft.
Ad hominem, [citation required], ad hominem, ad hominem.
> The “once in a lifetime” events you hear about are clickbait.
Tell me, was 9/11 not once in a lifetime? (again, remember that this was in response to events that people my age and older have lived through). Has Covid not been "reasonably" described as "once in a lifetime"? I know a lot of people described the 2008 recession as "once in a lifetime"? Was the mob on Jan 6 not "Once in a lifetime"? Would the Ukraine war not have qualified as "once in a lifetime" two decades ago? People have finally stopped using the term except as a "lol, yet another 'once in a lifetime' experience".
The point is as much when my generation is coming of age as when we're raised. Half of us see no possible way to improve our standard of living - self improvement is hard when you need two or three full time jobs to survive.
- legalcorrection 4y agoThese things aren’t “once in a lifetime,” and in any case, a single human life will coincide with thousands of “once in a lifetime” events. Economic downturns, war, and disease are perennial human conditions. COVID was deadly, but if you factor out people who were already on death’s doorstep, waiting to succumb to the next flu, it wasn’t really that bad. 9/11 was tragic and launched some unfortunate wars, but in terms of total American fatalities, 9/11 and the War on Terror are not that significant or out of the ordinary. The Jan 6 riot and BLM riots were not very deadly. In the old days, riotous mobs would literally go around murdering people. A few hours of rioting would mean hundreds dead. The 2020 riots were nothing like that. In the 60s, radical leftist groups were regularly bombing American cities. Get some perspective. The Ukraine war is notable, but only because Europe has been relatively peaceful as a whole. But don’t forget the Yugoslav wars, the Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe, and that war in Europe has historically been a very common thing. What’s unusual is the relative peace that Europe is still enjoying due to post-WW2 American hegemony. Mass shootings, as in a gunman mowing down multiple random people, are rounding errors in terms of total murders. (Beware of stats, which include gang executions and such in the mass shooting number). Murder rates in some of the big cities are nearing historic highs, but unless you’re involved in gang life or live in the hood, you’re very unlikely to be affected. The overall murder rate is still lower than the 70s and 80s. I think there’s plenty to worry about still. One way our time is exceptional is how eagerly we are discarding traditional morality and social hierarchy. And pop culture promotes awful decisions around sex and drugs and family. Racial and sexual resentment are reaching fever pitch. Crime is trending up. American hegemony is waning. But please, remember that the news on tv or twitter can’t literally jump out of the screen and kill you. People have survived and even thrived in much harder times than now. You are among the most fortunate people in history, with access to education and information that people couldn’t even dream about a century ago. Skilled workers are still in high demand. Engineers and doctors and lawyers are paid more than ever. Even the poor have access to better food and creature comforts than a king in times of old. The state will watch your kids five days a week for seven to nine hours a day, for free. If you’re frugal, you can eat enough to get fat for less than $5 a day. This Reddit hivemind woe-is-us stuff is the result of tunnel vision for whatever the media hyped current thing is.
- abduhl 4y ago