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Bringing Google Meet features to Duo for a single, integrated video solution

33 points by Macacity 4y ago

fwn 4y ago
Securitywise this is just a downgrade: Google Duo was end to end encrypted, Google Meet is not. It doesn't look like they're going to tell anyone about it.
- emptysongglass 4y ago
  They're rebasing Meet to Duo's featureset not the other way around. Duo will then change name to Meet when the transformation has completed.
  - fwn 4y ago
    As far as I was able to pin down, that is not correct and e2ee will end with the upcomming update. I asked this question on twitter in the thread of the announcement: > Will all calls still be end-to-end encrypted after this transition from Google Duo to Google Meet? and got this reply: > Hi there, we over at @AskWorkspace are happy to confirm that all data in Meet is encrypted in transit by default between the client and Google for video meetings. You can check more Google Meet security info here https://goo.gle/3NR7ZMj https://goo.gle/3NR7ZMj Hope it helps! -WV Sounds like a purposefully confusing version of "no". There are other clues as well: While e2ee was part of the messaging of Google Duo, this current announcement of the product merge does not mention encryption at all. ... despite mentioning a lot of random vanity features. Clearly they intended to create the impression that all features will be preserved. Since the e2ee feature was such a prominent and reoccuring part of the Duo pitch, it's very unlikely that they just forgot to mention it in this announcement.
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- tech234a 4y ago
  An announcement from April reads “later this year we’ll introduce optional end-to-end encryption for all meetings” on Google Meet [0]. [0]: https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/workspace/announcing-new-features-in-google-workspace-for-hybrid-work https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/workspace/announcing-...
nakedrobot2 4y ago
Sorry, but what the f*k is google duo? Does anyone even know what the current name for google's video call or chat product is called?
- hadrien01 4y ago
  Google Duo is Facetime, Google Meet is Teams
  - Tajnymag 4y ago
    More like Zoom IMO
  - m-p-3 4y ago
    Google Chat is Teams
- rg111 4y ago
  Google Duo has the best video quality in video chats in Android. This has been my first-hand experience.
  - alephxyz 4y ago
    It helps that they have more servers than users
  - ThePowerOfFuet 4y ago
    Have you tried Whereby?
- JoBrad 4y ago
  Seems like it’s basically become what Google Hangouts was…4? years ago.
  - lxgr 4y ago
    Exactly. Turns out people like - Having chat and calls in one app - Being able to make other people's devices ring if required (and not having to send a meeting invite code in a completely different app and coordinate with the other party to join) - Being able to log in using their Google account rather than doing some weird dance involving their phone number - Using more than one device simply by logging in using their account, rather than "linking an additional device to their phone" (which of course has to be the center of it all) Seems like the same thing is happening to Pay/Wallet too. It was always completely beyond me how they would rip out "Login with Google" from their own products and replace it with a phone-number-based single-device model.
tencentshill 4y ago
joshstrange 4y ago
Does google even understand how much they've screwed up chat? (text, voice, or video?) Every time this comes up I can't help but shake my head and wonder how they dropped the ball so bad, so many times. I understand the whole "release a new product to climb the ladder"-problem but are the top-level execs really so blind that they continue to make the same mistakes (or allow it happen) over and over again? Google Wallet/Pay/"whatever it's called this week" has the same issues. It's just astounding to me.
- netsharc 4y ago
  I presume inside Google it's a brawl of teams competing with each other, and if I had to guess the project managers probably lobby the execs hard to ensure their app survives... I wanted to quickly find the story of how inside Microsoft the teams were also at war with each other, IIRC it was the Windows team vs the Office team, results of putting the query "microsoft insider competition windows team vs office team" in Google or DuckDuckGo: - Links/articles about Microsoft Teams - Links/articles about Windows/Office Insider (ie. their beta program?).
cute_boi 4y ago
There are reasons why Zoom is better than Google. I don't understand Google and the reasons why they want to confuse users so much. I don't understand why are they burning money by making the same thing under a different name Duo/Meet/Hangout/Phone...
- lxgr 4y ago
  Ironically, I've found the Google core video conferencing product leaps and bounds ahead of Zoom especially in terms of scheduling meetings and joining them from devices without having to install custom software. If they could just stop these ridiculous exercises in bundling, unbundling, redesigning and fiddling with the UX in totally unnecessary ways, I believe they could have (had) a winner.
nsonha 4y ago
what's with Google and their chat apps? Just pick one and stick with it will ya
kevincox 4y ago
It actually makes a lot of sense to merge the two. Why have multiple video chat solutions when you can have one. Now I don't need to pick. As long as they can keep different UX needs satisfied it makes a lot of sense.

33 points by Macacity 4y ago

fwn 4y ago

Securitywise this is just a downgrade: Google Duo was end to end encrypted, Google Meet is not. It doesn't look like they're going to tell anyone about it.

emptysongglass 4y ago
They're rebasing Meet to Duo's featureset not the other way around. Duo will then change name to Meet when the transformation has completed.
- fwn 4y ago
  As far as I was able to pin down, that is not correct and e2ee will end with the upcomming update. I asked this question on twitter in the thread of the announcement: > Will all calls still be end-to-end encrypted after this transition from Google Duo to Google Meet? and got this reply: > Hi there, we over at @AskWorkspace are happy to confirm that all data in Meet is encrypted in transit by default between the client and Google for video meetings. You can check more Google Meet security info here https://goo.gle/3NR7ZMj https://goo.gle/3NR7ZMj Hope it helps! -WV Sounds like a purposefully confusing version of "no". There are other clues as well: While e2ee was part of the messaging of Google Duo, this current announcement of the product merge does not mention encryption at all. ... despite mentioning a lot of random vanity features. Clearly they intended to create the impression that all features will be preserved. Since the e2ee feature was such a prominent and reoccuring part of the Duo pitch, it's very unlikely that they just forgot to mention it in this announcement.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
tech234a 4y ago
An announcement from April reads “later this year we’ll introduce optional end-to-end encryption for all meetings” on Google Meet [0]. [0]: https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/workspace/announcing-new-features-in-google-workspace-for-hybrid-work https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/workspace/announcing-...

nakedrobot2 4y ago

Sorry, but what the f*k is google duo? Does anyone even know what the current name for google's video call or chat product is called?

hadrien01 4y ago
Google Duo is Facetime, Google Meet is Teams
- Tajnymag 4y ago
  More like Zoom IMO
- m-p-3 4y ago
  Google Chat is Teams
rg111 4y ago
Google Duo has the best video quality in video chats in Android. This has been my first-hand experience.
- alephxyz 4y ago
  It helps that they have more servers than users
- ThePowerOfFuet 4y ago
  Have you tried Whereby?
JoBrad 4y ago
Seems like it’s basically become what Google Hangouts was…4? years ago.
- lxgr 4y ago
  Exactly. Turns out people like - Having chat and calls in one app - Being able to make other people's devices ring if required (and not having to send a meeting invite code in a completely different app and coordinate with the other party to join) - Being able to log in using their Google account rather than doing some weird dance involving their phone number - Using more than one device simply by logging in using their account, rather than "linking an additional device to their phone" (which of course has to be the center of it all) Seems like the same thing is happening to Pay/Wallet too. It was always completely beyond me how they would rip out "Login with Google" from their own products and replace it with a phone-number-based single-device model.

tencentshill 4y ago

joshstrange 4y ago

Does google even understand how much they've screwed up chat? (text, voice, or video?) Every time this comes up I can't help but shake my head and wonder how they dropped the ball so bad, so many times. I understand the whole "release a new product to climb the ladder"-problem but are the top-level execs really so blind that they continue to make the same mistakes (or allow it happen) over and over again? Google Wallet/Pay/"whatever it's called this week" has the same issues. It's just astounding to me.

netsharc 4y ago
I presume inside Google it's a brawl of teams competing with each other, and if I had to guess the project managers probably lobby the execs hard to ensure their app survives... I wanted to quickly find the story of how inside Microsoft the teams were also at war with each other, IIRC it was the Windows team vs the Office team, results of putting the query "microsoft insider competition windows team vs office team" in Google or DuckDuckGo: - Links/articles about Microsoft Teams - Links/articles about Windows/Office Insider (ie. their beta program?).

cute_boi 4y ago

There are reasons why Zoom is better than Google. I don't understand Google and the reasons why they want to confuse users so much. I don't understand why are they burning money by making the same thing under a different name Duo/Meet/Hangout/Phone...

lxgr 4y ago
Ironically, I've found the Google core video conferencing product leaps and bounds ahead of Zoom especially in terms of scheduling meetings and joining them from devices without having to install custom software. If they could just stop these ridiculous exercises in bundling, unbundling, redesigning and fiddling with the UX in totally unnecessary ways, I believe they could have (had) a winner.

nsonha 4y ago

what's with Google and their chat apps? Just pick one and stick with it will ya

kevincox 4y ago

It actually makes a lot of sense to merge the two. Why have multiple video chat solutions when you can have one. Now I don't need to pick. As long as they can keep different UX needs satisfied it makes a lot of sense.