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The pay gap is real, and a huge reason why perfectly good software folk (and scientists, data specialists, etc.) move out of academia and into industry. I have
by mr_gibbins 4y ago
The pay gap is real, and a huge reason why perfectly good software folk (and scientists, data specialists, etc.) move out of academia and into industry.
I have an industry job with good pay with a side of academic work stemming from my PhD. My industry income is literally more than 2x the salary of my academic PI, who holds a senior academic post. My pay, which is probably around the median of most HN readers, is slightly more than the top peg of the academic pay scale in my area - i.e. University senior leadership team. So I do the academic work because I love doing the academic work. I cannot afford to take a full-time academic job, although it's been offered.
I am baffled as to why academic institutions aren't failing to recruit. If they were businesses offering half the going rate, they'd get third-rate engineers, if they had any applications at all. Instead, there seems to be a long queue for academic tenure - and even for non-tenured positions. The only competitive advantage I can see is the sense of academic 'freedom' that these positions confer.
But - it's not freedom. My academic colleagues spend hours each week chasing funding, filling in grant requests, attending meetings. Their teaching load is allocated to them without choice. They're in the office 9-5 same as everyone else. Academic freedom is anything but.
I am lucky that for the research I do, mostly behind a laptop, my industry pay lets me afford the things I need to do it - cloud services, international travel, software licenses, article processing fees. I can 'do science' the way I want to without begging anyone for cash or going to grants committees. And I'm hoping this brand of 'citizen science' becomes the norm, because University-led research is going to get harder and harder the more the gap between industry and academic pay widens.
- cozzyd 4y ago> I am baffled as to why academic institutions aren't failing to recruit Because academics (hi!) aren't in it for the money. If you value making lots of money, or having work-life balance, then academia isn't for you (nor is social work, teaching, nursing, fine art, etc.). But this probably makes it hard to hire RSEs who aren't academics masquerading as software engineers...
- mr_gibbins 4y agoI agree, but there has to be a balance between doing it for love and getting a living wage. One of my colleagues, an Associate Professor, works in Halfords (shop/garage chain in the UK) on the weekends. That isn't right. And many of these folk are incredibly intelligent. They are Ricks amongst Mortys. They don't deserve to be paid not-quite-enough to afford a house and kids.