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If you live more than 30 minutes away from the office, and it's self-evident that your physical presence isn't necessary to accomplish your day to day, I don't

If you live more than 30 minutes away from the office, and it's self-evident that your physical presence isn't necessary to accomplish your day to day, I don't see why someone wouldn't refuse to come back excepting a few days here and there for a fun communal activity with your team. Especially if they have children.

denimnerd42 4y ago
people don't even want to come back for mandatory fun https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20220517-the-death-of-mandatory-fun-in-the-office https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20220517-the-death-of-m...
- Arrath 4y ago
  Good. The only mandatory fun I enjoy is when the boss picks up the bar tab with no other stipulations.
- tetraca 4y ago
  This is pretty foreign to me. I put that line in because my team has actually organically suggested "Let's go have lunch!" or play a game together. Nothing mandatory or forced by a manager, just something because we do enjoy getting together from time to time.
baq 4y ago
obviously they wouldn't refuse if they want to keep their job... return to office will be a very convenient way of laying off people without saying you're laying off people. remember an economic slowdown is underway for 2 quarters and will last for quite a bit more.
- AlexandrB 4y ago
  From people I've talked to the job market in parts of the tech industry still seems to be red hot. Everyone is having trouble hiring.
  - baq 4y ago
    you can always say that. the problem is, this happens slowly, then suddenly all at once. if it takes 6-8 months to get a new job, it might be in the middle of total hiring freeze everywhere.
  - Spartan-S63 4y ago
    The tech sector still seems red hot, but the pivot from revenue growth at any cost to margin-focused growth is what's squeezing a lot of B2C companies. I think if you're a startup or late stage private company in B2B, you're probably doing alright if you were cautious and conservative in growing your costs. If you look at a lot of the recent layoffs, most are in tech companies doing B2C rather than B2B.
    - baq 4y ago
      B2C reducing expenses means B2B reducing expenses, just on a lag. duration of that lag is anybody's guess; mine is 3+-1 quarter depending on purchasing cycles and license renewals.
- MrPatan 4y ago
  Ah yes, one of those lay offs where you lose the people who can get a job at the drop of a hat and keep the ones that cannot. But of course, it would be initiated by somebody who wants to work from an office so, yeah, it all fits.
- greedo 4y ago
  Unemployment rates in the US are at very low levels. In my state, it's under 2%.

denimnerd42 4y ago

people don't even want to come back for mandatory fun https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20220517-the-death-of-mandatory-fun-in-the-office https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20220517-the-death-of-m...

Arrath 4y ago
Good. The only mandatory fun I enjoy is when the boss picks up the bar tab with no other stipulations.
tetraca 4y ago
This is pretty foreign to me. I put that line in because my team has actually organically suggested "Let's go have lunch!" or play a game together. Nothing mandatory or forced by a manager, just something because we do enjoy getting together from time to time.

baq 4y ago

obviously they wouldn't refuse if they want to keep their job... return to office will be a very convenient way of laying off people without saying you're laying off people. remember an economic slowdown is underway for 2 quarters and will last for quite a bit more.

AlexandrB 4y ago
From people I've talked to the job market in parts of the tech industry still seems to be red hot. Everyone is having trouble hiring.
- baq 4y ago
  you can always say that. the problem is, this happens slowly, then suddenly all at once. if it takes 6-8 months to get a new job, it might be in the middle of total hiring freeze everywhere.
- Spartan-S63 4y ago
  The tech sector still seems red hot, but the pivot from revenue growth at any cost to margin-focused growth is what's squeezing a lot of B2C companies. I think if you're a startup or late stage private company in B2B, you're probably doing alright if you were cautious and conservative in growing your costs. If you look at a lot of the recent layoffs, most are in tech companies doing B2C rather than B2B.
  - baq 4y ago
    B2C reducing expenses means B2B reducing expenses, just on a lag. duration of that lag is anybody's guess; mine is 3+-1 quarter depending on purchasing cycles and license renewals.
MrPatan 4y ago
Ah yes, one of those lay offs where you lose the people who can get a job at the drop of a hat and keep the ones that cannot. But of course, it would be initiated by somebody who wants to work from an office so, yeah, it all fits.
greedo 4y ago
Unemployment rates in the US are at very low levels. In my state, it's under 2%.