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I just explained to you that, if you had watched the video, it would be obvious that he's not just pressing a button to start a sequence. Your response was to a

by bryans 4y ago

I just explained to you that, if you had watched the video, it would be obvious that he's not just pressing a button to start a sequence. Your response was to again falsely claim that he is pushing a button to start a sequence, when in reality, he is manually playing all of the drums and notes in the exact same way that you play your instruments, and in the exact same way your video portrays. So he's actually doing the same thing and more than what you claim is "real" musicianship. I have never heard a musician speak so disparagingly about another musician in the way you are right now. It's disturbing and completely inappropriate.

Rochus 4y ago
Just in case you didn't notice: this thread is about visual coordination between musicians in an orchestra or smaller formation; so it is up-front unclear why you post a video of a techno performance where the DJ also operates some drum pads in addition to the sequencer. And now you're turning it into a values debate; seems to me like you just look for confrontation.
- bryans 4y ago
  Let's recap. You made a comment about one person (yourself) playing multiple instruments at once. Somebody replied asking to see that, because it "sounded cool." I provided another example of one person performing multiple instruments at once. Instead of watching the video (or ignoring the conversation), you instead decided to publicly declare that wasn't "real" musicianship, and provided a link to a video where the drummer is literally doing the exact same thing that you just declared wasn't "real" musicianship. You then decided to not watch the video again and instead doubled down on your false claims. So, if you're asking why we're discussing one-man-bands in a "thread about visual coordination between musicians," that question falls to you, since you were the one who started the sidetracked conversation, which turned out to be a self-aggrandizing advertisement. Yet, now you're gaslighting and trying to make it sound like I did something wrong when, in fact, you were the one who both sidetracked the thread and then confrontationally declared a musician wasn't a real musician, thereby turning it into a "values debate" -- despite obviously meeting all of your requirements for "real" musicianship, since you're both quite literally using identical methods and technologies. The video visibly shows him playing all of the instruments and not using a sequencer, which betrays that you still haven't actually watched the video.
  - Rochus 4y ago
    Ok, apparently you didn't get that point either; let me explain; the fellow proposed that the bass player and drummer need to be "one creature with four arms and legs"; I made an alternative proposal because obviously no such creature exists, but as you might know there are still other musicians in a typical band, so there is still the issue with visual coordination. And anyway, I don't see any connection between your video and the ones I posted. DJ's are a completely different topic. So be it. Concerning your provocations: maybe try your luck on Reddit
    - bryans 4y ago
      > Ok, apparently you didn't get that point either; I completely got the point, which is why my original comment was extremely relevant to the conversation of a one-man operation -- a conversation that you acknowledge starting. You then, however, claimed that it doesn't make sense for me to post a video about a one-man drummer-bassist in a conversation about a one-man drummer-bassist, in a bizarre attempt to make it seem like I somehow antagonized you. What you're doing is called gaslighting, in its purest and most disturbing form. > I don't see any connection between your video and the ones I posted. The methods used by both drummers in both videos are literally identical in every conceivable way. They are using the same technology. It's a MIDI controller going into a computer which triggers samples, which is also the exact same method you are using and describing in your original comment and blog post. They are identical. And even knowing that, you are still shamefully attempting to publicly disparage another musician and claim they are lesser than you -- even going so far as to claim they are a "DJ" despite performing in the exact same way that you are. It's beyond outrageous.

by bryans 4y ago

Rochus 4y ago

Just in case you didn't notice: this thread is about visual coordination between musicians in an orchestra or smaller formation; so it is up-front unclear why you post a video of a techno performance where the DJ also operates some drum pads in addition to the sequencer. And now you're turning it into a values debate; seems to me like you just look for confrontation.

bryans 4y ago
Let's recap. You made a comment about one person (yourself) playing multiple instruments at once. Somebody replied asking to see that, because it "sounded cool." I provided another example of one person performing multiple instruments at once. Instead of watching the video (or ignoring the conversation), you instead decided to publicly declare that wasn't "real" musicianship, and provided a link to a video where the drummer is literally doing the exact same thing that you just declared wasn't "real" musicianship. You then decided to not watch the video again and instead doubled down on your false claims. So, if you're asking why we're discussing one-man-bands in a "thread about visual coordination between musicians," that question falls to you, since you were the one who started the sidetracked conversation, which turned out to be a self-aggrandizing advertisement. Yet, now you're gaslighting and trying to make it sound like I did something wrong when, in fact, you were the one who both sidetracked the thread and then confrontationally declared a musician wasn't a real musician, thereby turning it into a "values debate" -- despite obviously meeting all of your requirements for "real" musicianship, since you're both quite literally using identical methods and technologies. The video visibly shows him playing all of the instruments and not using a sequencer, which betrays that you still haven't actually watched the video.
- Rochus 4y ago
  Ok, apparently you didn't get that point either; let me explain; the fellow proposed that the bass player and drummer need to be "one creature with four arms and legs"; I made an alternative proposal because obviously no such creature exists, but as you might know there are still other musicians in a typical band, so there is still the issue with visual coordination. And anyway, I don't see any connection between your video and the ones I posted. DJ's are a completely different topic. So be it. Concerning your provocations: maybe try your luck on Reddit
  - bryans 4y ago
    > Ok, apparently you didn't get that point either; I completely got the point, which is why my original comment was extremely relevant to the conversation of a one-man operation -- a conversation that you acknowledge starting. You then, however, claimed that it doesn't make sense for me to post a video about a one-man drummer-bassist in a conversation about a one-man drummer-bassist, in a bizarre attempt to make it seem like I somehow antagonized you. What you're doing is called gaslighting, in its purest and most disturbing form. > I don't see any connection between your video and the ones I posted. The methods used by both drummers in both videos are literally identical in every conceivable way. They are using the same technology. It's a MIDI controller going into a computer which triggers samples, which is also the exact same method you are using and describing in your original comment and blog post. They are identical. And even knowing that, you are still shamefully attempting to publicly disparage another musician and claim they are lesser than you -- even going so far as to claim they are a "DJ" despite performing in the exact same way that you are. It's beyond outrageous.