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What is eggregious about a 40hr work week at the office?

by optimiz3 4y ago

ra7 4y ago
Minimum 40hr work week.
- optimiz3 4y ago
  Thats how it is in most salaried jobs in FAANMG.
  - ra7 4y ago
    I don't recall any FAANMG CEOs writing threatening emails to employees mandating them to work more than 40 hours. Do you have any examples?
    - optimiz3 4y ago
      Who's mandating more than 40 hours?
      - ra7 4y ago
        Did you read his emails? > Anyone who wishes to do remote work must be in the office for a minimum (and I mean *minimum*) of 40 hours per week or depart Tesla. This is less than we ask of factory workers.
        optimiz3 4y ago
        40 hours minimum means you only need to be there 40 hours, like most salaried full time jobs.
        ra7 4y ago
        You're just sticking to semantics. It's well known all his companies require you to work more than 40 hours. Combine that with these emails, it's easy to understand what the expectations are.
  - turtledove 4y ago
    I've worked two FAANGM jobs as a salaried engineer and or manager, rarely put in over 40. Draw boundaries, stick to them. Long hours mean the company is underfunding your team, and there's no reason you should be picking up their mistakes.
toss1 4y ago
The "at the office" part. The office is a complete anachronism, entirely unnecessary for knowledge work. It is born of industrialized times before modern networked knowledge management and communications software. It is kept in place by bad managers. It was long ago studied and shown that remote work makes good managers' teams perform better and bad managers' teams perform worse (likely because good managers manage for results while bad managers just micromanage for poor indicators of work like how much time you spend in your chair looking miserable). The commute is an utter and complete waste of time and society's resources. Simply not commuting buys 1-4 HOURS EVERY DAY. Even if not a minute of this time is given to the employer as extra work, the employee will be significantly more productive having not spent 0.5-2 hours fighting traffic just to sit in the cheap office chair. Smart employees have figured this out and properly demand to do better work. Smart managers also know that there are huge competitive advantages to remote work. 1) Employers can now tap a talent pool as large as the country or even globe, instead of only a 2-hour commute to one of their offices. 2) Remote work is a key competitive advantage, seen as a key benefit by the best employees, and will allow for lower salary costs. 3) Remote work can dramatically reduce real-estate costs. IBM figured this out decades ago when it started doing significant remote work and having check-in portable offices. 4) Remote work will force you to have better management, who manage for objectives instead of irrelevant manager-ego-boosting indicia of work. 5) Remote work has been proved to be at least as, and in some cases more productive than office work. So, what is egregious about it is that it is now widely known as a bad practice. Imagine the reverse - remote work has been the norm and now managers were proposing to the boards that they build multi-billion dollar buildings, and require every employee to get up and drive in the worst traffic to this site, to sit and work in the exact same condition every day, and zero of those conditions enable better work product (i.e., the equipment is not better than what employees have at home, etc.). Both the boards approving such spending and the employees being asked to do this new waste-of-time commute would universally say "W T F !?!"

What is eggregious about a 40hr work week at the office?

ra7 4y ago

Minimum 40hr work week.

optimiz3 4y ago
Thats how it is in most salaried jobs in FAANMG.
- ra7 4y ago
  I don't recall any FAANMG CEOs writing threatening emails to employees mandating them to work more than 40 hours. Do you have any examples?
  - optimiz3 4y ago
    Who's mandating more than 40 hours?
    - ra7 4y ago
      Did you read his emails? > Anyone who wishes to do remote work must be in the office for a minimum (and I mean *minimum*) of 40 hours per week or depart Tesla. This is less than we ask of factory workers.
      - optimiz3 4y ago
        40 hours minimum means you only need to be there 40 hours, like most salaried full time jobs.
        ra7 4y ago
        You're just sticking to semantics. It's well known all his companies require you to work more than 40 hours. Combine that with these emails, it's easy to understand what the expectations are.
- turtledove 4y ago
  I've worked two FAANGM jobs as a salaried engineer and or manager, rarely put in over 40. Draw boundaries, stick to them. Long hours mean the company is underfunding your team, and there's no reason you should be picking up their mistakes.

toss1 4y ago

The "at the office" part. The office is a complete anachronism, entirely unnecessary for knowledge work. It is born of industrialized times before modern networked knowledge management and communications software. It is kept in place by bad managers. It was long ago studied and shown that remote work makes good managers' teams perform better and bad managers' teams perform worse (likely because good managers manage for results while bad managers just micromanage for poor indicators of work like how much time you spend in your chair looking miserable). The commute is an utter and complete waste of time and society's resources. Simply not commuting buys 1-4 HOURS EVERY DAY. Even if not a minute of this time is given to the employer as extra work, the employee will be significantly more productive having not spent 0.5-2 hours fighting traffic just to sit in the cheap office chair. Smart employees have figured this out and properly demand to do better work. Smart managers also know that there are huge competitive advantages to remote work. 1) Employers can now tap a talent pool as large as the country or even globe, instead of only a 2-hour commute to one of their offices. 2) Remote work is a key competitive advantage, seen as a key benefit by the best employees, and will allow for lower salary costs. 3) Remote work can dramatically reduce real-estate costs. IBM figured this out decades ago when it started doing significant remote work and having check-in portable offices. 4) Remote work will force you to have better management, who manage for objectives instead of irrelevant manager-ego-boosting indicia of work. 5) Remote work has been proved to be at least as, and in some cases more productive than office work. So, what is egregious about it is that it is now widely known as a bad practice. Imagine the reverse - remote work has been the norm and now managers were proposing to the boards that they build multi-billion dollar buildings, and require every employee to get up and drive in the worst traffic to this site, to sit and work in the exact same condition every day, and zero of those conditions enable better work product (i.e., the equipment is not better than what employees have at home, etc.). Both the boards approving such spending and the employees being asked to do this new waste-of-time commute would universally say "W T F !?!"