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Are you talking about soldering on the mainboard, or replacing broken parts? It's hard for me to imagine that 30% of customers want to attempt to solder new par

Are you talking about soldering on the mainboard, or replacing broken parts? It's hard for me to imagine that 30% of customers want to attempt to solder new parts onto their laptop mainboard, which is what I think this discussion is about. There's more discussion upthread, but work that requires board schematics also requires exceptional tooling, expertise, and time, and is therefore also quite expensive ($250-$425 was the number quoted upthread).

ClumsyPilot 4y ago
> work that requires board schematics also requires exceptional tooling, expertise, and time, and is therefore also quite expensive ($250-$425 was the number quoted upthread). Stop thinking about the West, the rest of the world exists. Where do you think your monitor goes when you throw it away because an $1 capacitor has blown? Not into a black hole. Our broken devices get shipped to other countries as e-waste. There cost of labour is $5 and people want to repair that device and keep it going for 40 years. If you want ti say 'i dont care about other countries', then you will have to recycle this shit domestically and pay real money for it's disposal- and then repairing will look different economically
- jjcon 4y ago
  >Stop thinking about the West, the rest of the world exists. Framework only sells in the west and the west (and 1st world/highly developed countries/regions outside of the west) account for pretty much all high end laptop sales - your diatribe doesn't really hold up even so though. The modularity of the framework means less ewaste than the status quo - that is a net positive.
  - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
    Again, youi are missing the forest for the trees - when you sell old laptop on ebay, where does it go? When you get rid of the laptop and give it to recycling, where does it go? It goes to a second or third world country, where they will try to repair and use it if possible. Very few institutions in the west actually recycle anything.

ClumsyPilot 4y ago

> work that requires board schematics also requires exceptional tooling, expertise, and time, and is therefore also quite expensive ($250-$425 was the number quoted upthread). Stop thinking about the West, the rest of the world exists. Where do you think your monitor goes when you throw it away because an $1 capacitor has blown? Not into a black hole. Our broken devices get shipped to other countries as e-waste. There cost of labour is $5 and people want to repair that device and keep it going for 40 years. If you want ti say 'i dont care about other countries', then you will have to recycle this shit domestically and pay real money for it's disposal- and then repairing will look different economically

jjcon 4y ago
>Stop thinking about the West, the rest of the world exists. Framework only sells in the west and the west (and 1st world/highly developed countries/regions outside of the west) account for pretty much all high end laptop sales - your diatribe doesn't really hold up even so though. The modularity of the framework means less ewaste than the status quo - that is a net positive.
- ClumsyPilot 4y ago
  Again, youi are missing the forest for the trees - when you sell old laptop on ebay, where does it go? When you get rid of the laptop and give it to recycling, where does it go? It goes to a second or third world country, where they will try to repair and use it if possible. Very few institutions in the west actually recycle anything.