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According to https://gis.cdc.gov/Cancer/USCS/#/Trends/ https://gis.cdc.gov/Cancer/USCS/#/Trends/ the rate is still going down. Literally the first place I looke

According to https://gis.cdc.gov/Cancer/USCS/#/Trends/ https://gis.cdc.gov/Cancer/USCS/#/Trends/ the rate is still going down. Literally the first place I looked and their graph goes to 2018.

incomingpain 4y ago
>According to https://gis.cdc.gov/Cancer/USCS/#/Trends/ https://gis.cdc.gov/Cancer/USCS/#/Trends/ the rate is still going down. Literally the first place I looked and their graph goes to 2018. 2006, 1.5 million new cancer cases. 2017, 1.7 million new cancer cases. The data certainly exists. I wasn't inferring that it doesn't exist. Obviously this is all cancers and us centric. Obviously there's some hiding of facts here as well. Not apples to apples comparison to the subject at hand. Please also don't take me as arguing for the return of tobacco or encouraging tobacco use at all. The point I am making... we now know what causes cancer and it's beyond controversial. To the point that public health would rather people have cancer. Let that sink in.
- whatisthiseven 4y ago
  Yea, because the US population is aging rapidly past 60, when most cancers start to form. Your premise could easily be explained by "the percentage of the American population over 60 has increased steadily." See: https://www.statista.com/statistics/457822/share-of-old-age-population-in-the-total-us-population/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/457822/share-of-old-age-... So yea, more total cancers diagnosed, cause old people get cancer.
whatisthiseven 4y ago
That link just shows all cancer. If you start here: https://www.cdc.gov/cancer/lung/statistics/index.htm https://www.cdc.gov/cancer/lung/statistics/index.htm Then click the graph on the right, you can see the trend line for LUNG cancer specifically. Spoilers: the per capita lung cancer incidence is going down for all of the 21st century. It is actually improving faster the most recent decade than the previous. What has changed is the total number of new lung cancer cases is slightly increasing. This is easily explained by an increasingly elderly population, which makes up over 80% of lung cancer sufferers: https://www.lung.org/lung-health-diseases/lung-disease-lookup/lung-cancer/resource-library/lung-cancer-fact-sheet https://www.lung.org/lung-health-diseases/lung-disease-looku...
- BizarroLand 4y ago
  I wonder how much of that is affected by older smokers being much more vulnerable to Covid? Over 1,000,000 Americans have died to Covid in the last few years and that number is heavily skewed towards older people and smokers.

According to https://gis.cdc.gov/Cancer/USCS/#/Trends/ https://gis.cdc.gov/Cancer/USCS/#/Trends/ the rate is still going down. Literally the first place I looked and their graph goes to 2018.

incomingpain 4y ago

>According to https://gis.cdc.gov/Cancer/USCS/#/Trends/ https://gis.cdc.gov/Cancer/USCS/#/Trends/ the rate is still going down. Literally the first place I looked and their graph goes to 2018. 2006, 1.5 million new cancer cases. 2017, 1.7 million new cancer cases. The data certainly exists. I wasn't inferring that it doesn't exist. Obviously this is all cancers and us centric. Obviously there's some hiding of facts here as well. Not apples to apples comparison to the subject at hand. Please also don't take me as arguing for the return of tobacco or encouraging tobacco use at all. The point I am making... we now know what causes cancer and it's beyond controversial. To the point that public health would rather people have cancer. Let that sink in.

whatisthiseven 4y ago
Yea, because the US population is aging rapidly past 60, when most cancers start to form. Your premise could easily be explained by "the percentage of the American population over 60 has increased steadily." See: https://www.statista.com/statistics/457822/share-of-old-age-population-in-the-total-us-population/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/457822/share-of-old-age-... So yea, more total cancers diagnosed, cause old people get cancer.

whatisthiseven 4y ago

That link just shows all cancer. If you start here: https://www.cdc.gov/cancer/lung/statistics/index.htm https://www.cdc.gov/cancer/lung/statistics/index.htm Then click the graph on the right, you can see the trend line for LUNG cancer specifically. Spoilers: the per capita lung cancer incidence is going down for all of the 21st century. It is actually improving faster the most recent decade than the previous. What has changed is the total number of new lung cancer cases is slightly increasing. This is easily explained by an increasingly elderly population, which makes up over 80% of lung cancer sufferers: https://www.lung.org/lung-health-diseases/lung-disease-lookup/lung-cancer/resource-library/lung-cancer-fact-sheet https://www.lung.org/lung-health-diseases/lung-disease-looku...

BizarroLand 4y ago
I wonder how much of that is affected by older smokers being much more vulnerable to Covid? Over 1,000,000 Americans have died to Covid in the last few years and that number is heavily skewed towards older people and smokers.