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I think for a manufacturing company this is only fair. He specifically points out a problem - the Fremont factory HR manager who lives in another state. The fa

I think for a manufacturing company this is only fair. He specifically points out a problem - the Fremont factory HR manager who lives in another state. The factory workers have to come in every day. It’s probably demoralizing to them that the people with the cushier jobs don’t have to. It’s an act of solidarity.

7thaccount 4y ago
That's an excuse anyway. Factory workers have to come in, because that's where the machinery is. Most other jobs are fine as remote. I'd never work for Tesla locally as I'd probably have to make over $1M/year to just have my current (very spartan) standard of living.
- PragmaticPulp 4y ago
  > I'd never work for Tesla locally as I'd probably have to make over $1M/year to just have my current (very spartan) standard of living. There is no big city in the USA where anyone needs $1m/year to live a “very spartan” standard of living.
  - Tepix 4y ago
    Perhaps his/her problem are alymonies?
    - bombcar 4y ago
      Or the upkeep on the other six accounts. :)
      - 7thaccount 4y ago
        Lol that was just from not keeping a password on the old accounts and eventually losing them.
  - 7thaccount 4y ago
    An average house in Silicon Valley is like in the millions. If Tesla pays me $200k/year, it'll take a long time to pay off. Compare that where I live (nice house is $150k and I make over six figures). My buying power seems much higher where I'm at. Am I missing something obvious?
eddieroger 4y ago
> The factory workers have to come in every day. It’s probably demoralizing to them that the people with the cushier jobs don’t have to. Sure, people who work a line have to actually be at the line to do their job, but even if the office staff has to go in, the complaint moves to how they get to sit in their offices and drink coffee all day. It's still not incorrect, but being present or absent isn't the source of the friction between factory workers and office workers.
- brk 4y ago
  IMO, having actually worked in a factory (running IT at a Ford plant), I think it makes a huge difference. There was always some amount of friction between salary and hourly workers, but a lot of it went both ways. The salaried workers had a (slightly) nicer work environment, but hourly workers got time and a half or double time for anything over 40 hours per week and more job protection (union). In the end, the majority of the workers thought of each other as peers, in the same environment every day, working towards the same goal (production output), and that went a long way. Having to deal with HR issues via a remote person would most likely be a major source of grief, with the remote person being seen as weaker or lessor for not being a part of the "family" in the plant environment.
  - Closi 4y ago
    I’ve also worked in warehousing for a lot of my career and would agree completely. Your IT example is great as something that could be done offsite but worsens relations if that happens (and is not likely to be as effective). There is a huge difference between the system slowing down and someone remote fixing it, and the system slowing down and everyone on the floor knowing that Dan from IT upstairs is working on it. Also I have seen remote teams swear blind that there is not a speed issue, and they have remotely checked the systems and network on their end, while the warehouse/factory is in meltdown.
LudwigNagasena 4y ago
If I were a factory worker, I would prefer something material over any vain "solidarity".
RHSeeger 4y ago
> people with the jobs that don't require interacting with things in person don’t have to Fixed that for you. Lots of things _could_ be acts of solidarity; for example, mandatory team lunches together. However, since they don't actually provide any benefit and do negatively impact the people involved, they tend to be avoided. The same should be the case here. I don't see the salespeople complaining that HR doesn't need to travel to client locations with them; because clearly there's no reason for them too. The same should be the case here.

7thaccount 4y ago

That's an excuse anyway. Factory workers have to come in, because that's where the machinery is. Most other jobs are fine as remote. I'd never work for Tesla locally as I'd probably have to make over $1M/year to just have my current (very spartan) standard of living.

PragmaticPulp 4y ago
> I'd never work for Tesla locally as I'd probably have to make over $1M/year to just have my current (very spartan) standard of living. There is no big city in the USA where anyone needs $1m/year to live a “very spartan” standard of living.
- Tepix 4y ago
  Perhaps his/her problem are alymonies?
  - bombcar 4y ago
    Or the upkeep on the other six accounts. :)
    - 7thaccount 4y ago
      Lol that was just from not keeping a password on the old accounts and eventually losing them.
- 7thaccount 4y ago
  An average house in Silicon Valley is like in the millions. If Tesla pays me $200k/year, it'll take a long time to pay off. Compare that where I live (nice house is $150k and I make over six figures). My buying power seems much higher where I'm at. Am I missing something obvious?

eddieroger 4y ago

> The factory workers have to come in every day. It’s probably demoralizing to them that the people with the cushier jobs don’t have to. Sure, people who work a line have to actually be at the line to do their job, but even if the office staff has to go in, the complaint moves to how they get to sit in their offices and drink coffee all day. It's still not incorrect, but being present or absent isn't the source of the friction between factory workers and office workers.

brk 4y ago
IMO, having actually worked in a factory (running IT at a Ford plant), I think it makes a huge difference. There was always some amount of friction between salary and hourly workers, but a lot of it went both ways. The salaried workers had a (slightly) nicer work environment, but hourly workers got time and a half or double time for anything over 40 hours per week and more job protection (union). In the end, the majority of the workers thought of each other as peers, in the same environment every day, working towards the same goal (production output), and that went a long way. Having to deal with HR issues via a remote person would most likely be a major source of grief, with the remote person being seen as weaker or lessor for not being a part of the "family" in the plant environment.
- Closi 4y ago
  I’ve also worked in warehousing for a lot of my career and would agree completely. Your IT example is great as something that could be done offsite but worsens relations if that happens (and is not likely to be as effective). There is a huge difference between the system slowing down and someone remote fixing it, and the system slowing down and everyone on the floor knowing that Dan from IT upstairs is working on it. Also I have seen remote teams swear blind that there is not a speed issue, and they have remotely checked the systems and network on their end, while the warehouse/factory is in meltdown.

LudwigNagasena 4y ago

If I were a factory worker, I would prefer something material over any vain "solidarity".

RHSeeger 4y ago

> people with the jobs that don't require interacting with things in person don’t have to Fixed that for you. Lots of things _could_ be acts of solidarity; for example, mandatory team lunches together. However, since they don't actually provide any benefit and do negatively impact the people involved, they tend to be avoided. The same should be the case here. I don't see the salespeople complaining that HR doesn't need to travel to client locations with them; because clearly there's no reason for them too. The same should be the case here.