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Every time this guy tweets, I regret my purchase more and more. Can't he just keep it focused on the cars and the share price? Instead it always has to be some

Every time this guy tweets, I regret my purchase more and more. Can't he just keep it focused on the cars and the share price? Instead it always has to be some ego trip about how he is smarter and harder worker than everyone else. I hope this pushes folks at Tesla to unionize. The NLRB has ruled health and safety are subjects of mandatory bargaining. If your employer is making you return to an unsafe office during a global pandemic, this is in violation of that.

gameswithgo 4y ago
_ph_ 4y ago
Admittedly, that wasn't a tweet by Elon, but a leaked internal mail. But yes, it hints at less than optimal working conditions.
refurb 4y ago
I mean this was leaked? He didn’t post it. And isn’t running a business efficiently, including on site workers, “focused on the cars and the share price”?
30944836 4y ago
>Every time this guy tweets, I regret my purchase more and more. You are certainly free to feel however you like about your own purchases, but I have to say, I don't understand it. Either you like the car or you don't. If you do -- great! Drive away. If you don't -- sell it. Don't see what the WFH policy of Tesla has to do with anything. Tesla employees are adults. They are not trapped by poverty wages. They are professionals. They can leave if they don't like it. I'm a die-hard WFH'er and also not a CEO. Musk should run his company how he feels best.
- grogenaut 4y ago
  many people buy teslas for the statment it makes about their views and priorities. so its not surprising those same people dislike when its not just about the environment amd now tangled up with musks world view of the day.
  - 30944836 4y ago
    >many people buy teslas for the statement it makes about their views and priorities You're right about this. That's a stupid reason to buy a car, though, and indeed a stupid reason to buy anything.
    - prawn 4y ago
      If the environment is a priority for you, is it stupid that you buy an electric vehicle and partially hope that it encourages others to do the same? And would it be stupid if you regretted that Musk was needlessly muddying that? I don't think either situation is ridiculous.
    - skinnymuch 4y ago
      Buying things that fit your world view is stupid? Climate change is very serious.
- kenjackson 4y ago
  You don’t care anything about who the money from your purchases flow too? In most cases I don’t, because I don’t have much insight into it. But to the extent that I can keep my money from going to people I despise, I think it makes sense to do so.
  - 30944836 4y ago
    It makes sense from a pre-purchase perspective, but in a post-purchase state -- what's done is done; regretting a purchase has no impact on the world.
    - skinnymuch 4y ago
      Regretting can help you make sure not to promote the product, sell the product, and more. It can be quite helpful.
- leokennis 4y ago
  I think this is a naïve view. If you do not like the next leader in your country, you'll not complain since you are not a trapped adult, and you'll emigrate instead? People have a right to expect reasonable policies from their employers. It should not be "I'm the CEO, I'll do whatever I damn well please and you either take it or leave". We are not in the 1800's anymore.
  - Andrew_nenakhov 4y ago
    > People have a right to expect reasonable policies from their employers. No, they don't have this right. What the 'people' might find unreasonable can be, in fact, very reasonable from the point of view of their employers, who quite possibly have far more knowledge about the best way to run an organization. They also have far more responsibilities than workers, the biggest of which is paying the salary. The employee can get away with not doing any work for months, which is relatively easy on remote. Try getting away with not paying salary! To combat unreasonable policies, people DO have a different right: to quit and find a job they like more.
    - leokennis 4y ago
      We are talking about employers and employees who we can both assume to be adults. There is no reason for Musk to say: "come to the office for 40 weeks or I'll fire you" - this is not how employer-employee relations should be in the 21st century.
      - Andrew_nenakhov 4y ago
        Nobody defines how employer-employee relations should be in the 21st century but the employers. They run their business as they please. Employees decide if they want to work for them, or walk away. Also. I do have experience with very adult people who fake productivity working remotely. Some even brag about 'working' remotely for several companies at once, effectively frauding their wage from each.
        leokennis 4y ago
- jasd 4y ago
  I would agree with you in most cases, but somehow can never convince myself to stay at Trump hotel ever!
bko 4y ago
Why does this bother you? He's running a business and for whatever reason he feels its important to productivity have employees come into the office. I don't know why you're so confident that this decision is an "ego trip" as opposed to an effort to more effectively produce cars and help the share price. > If your employer is making you return to an unsafe office during a global pandemic, this is in violation of that. You're living in a bubble if you most employers are okay with indefinite work from home after two and a half years.
caffeine 4y ago
This isn’t an Elon tweet. > Can't he just keep it focused on the cars and the share price? I actually agree with your sentiment, but for a different reason - I think tweeting is a massive waste of his time which I would prefer be spent either working on any of his amazing companies, or for restorative rest - but obviously I don’t get a vote where he spends his time! For the same reason, I really hope he doesn’t buy Twitter - not because I don’t like what he’ll do, but because Twitter is a dumpster fire and I don’t want his valuable attention squandered on something so worthless as fixing discourse Twitter. > I hope this pushes folks at Tesla to unionize. Elon corporate culture/values seems like it’s definitely unique, and not something for everyone. It’s probably better for everybody if those who aren’t onboard go work somewhere that aligns better with their values. Tesla China doesn’t have these problems.

gameswithgo 4y ago

_ph_ 4y ago

Admittedly, that wasn't a tweet by Elon, but a leaked internal mail. But yes, it hints at less than optimal working conditions.

refurb 4y ago

I mean this was leaked? He didn’t post it. And isn’t running a business efficiently, including on site workers, “focused on the cars and the share price”?

30944836 4y ago

>Every time this guy tweets, I regret my purchase more and more. You are certainly free to feel however you like about your own purchases, but I have to say, I don't understand it. Either you like the car or you don't. If you do -- great! Drive away. If you don't -- sell it. Don't see what the WFH policy of Tesla has to do with anything. Tesla employees are adults. They are not trapped by poverty wages. They are professionals. They can leave if they don't like it. I'm a die-hard WFH'er and also not a CEO. Musk should run his company how he feels best.

grogenaut 4y ago
many people buy teslas for the statment it makes about their views and priorities. so its not surprising those same people dislike when its not just about the environment amd now tangled up with musks world view of the day.
- 30944836 4y ago
  >many people buy teslas for the statement it makes about their views and priorities You're right about this. That's a stupid reason to buy a car, though, and indeed a stupid reason to buy anything.
  - prawn 4y ago
    If the environment is a priority for you, is it stupid that you buy an electric vehicle and partially hope that it encourages others to do the same? And would it be stupid if you regretted that Musk was needlessly muddying that? I don't think either situation is ridiculous.
  - skinnymuch 4y ago
    Buying things that fit your world view is stupid? Climate change is very serious.
kenjackson 4y ago
You don’t care anything about who the money from your purchases flow too? In most cases I don’t, because I don’t have much insight into it. But to the extent that I can keep my money from going to people I despise, I think it makes sense to do so.
- 30944836 4y ago
  It makes sense from a pre-purchase perspective, but in a post-purchase state -- what's done is done; regretting a purchase has no impact on the world.
  - skinnymuch 4y ago
    Regretting can help you make sure not to promote the product, sell the product, and more. It can be quite helpful.
leokennis 4y ago
I think this is a naïve view. If you do not like the next leader in your country, you'll not complain since you are not a trapped adult, and you'll emigrate instead? People have a right to expect reasonable policies from their employers. It should not be "I'm the CEO, I'll do whatever I damn well please and you either take it or leave". We are not in the 1800's anymore.
- Andrew_nenakhov 4y ago
  > People have a right to expect reasonable policies from their employers. No, they don't have this right. What the 'people' might find unreasonable can be, in fact, very reasonable from the point of view of their employers, who quite possibly have far more knowledge about the best way to run an organization. They also have far more responsibilities than workers, the biggest of which is paying the salary. The employee can get away with not doing any work for months, which is relatively easy on remote. Try getting away with not paying salary! To combat unreasonable policies, people DO have a different right: to quit and find a job they like more.
  - leokennis 4y ago
    We are talking about employers and employees who we can both assume to be adults. There is no reason for Musk to say: "come to the office for 40 weeks or I'll fire you" - this is not how employer-employee relations should be in the 21st century.
    - Andrew_nenakhov 4y ago
      Nobody defines how employer-employee relations should be in the 21st century but the employers. They run their business as they please. Employees decide if they want to work for them, or walk away. Also. I do have experience with very adult people who fake productivity working remotely. Some even brag about 'working' remotely for several companies at once, effectively frauding their wage from each.
      - leokennis 4y ago
jasd 4y ago
I would agree with you in most cases, but somehow can never convince myself to stay at Trump hotel ever!

bko 4y ago

Why does this bother you? He's running a business and for whatever reason he feels its important to productivity have employees come into the office. I don't know why you're so confident that this decision is an "ego trip" as opposed to an effort to more effectively produce cars and help the share price. > If your employer is making you return to an unsafe office during a global pandemic, this is in violation of that. You're living in a bubble if you most employers are okay with indefinite work from home after two and a half years.

caffeine 4y ago

This isn’t an Elon tweet. > Can't he just keep it focused on the cars and the share price? I actually agree with your sentiment, but for a different reason - I think tweeting is a massive waste of his time which I would prefer be spent either working on any of his amazing companies, or for restorative rest - but obviously I don’t get a vote where he spends his time! For the same reason, I really hope he doesn’t buy Twitter - not because I don’t like what he’ll do, but because Twitter is a dumpster fire and I don’t want his valuable attention squandered on something so worthless as fixing discourse Twitter. > I hope this pushes folks at Tesla to unionize. Elon corporate culture/values seems like it’s definitely unique, and not something for everyone. It’s probably better for everybody if those who aren’t onboard go work somewhere that aligns better with their values. Tesla China doesn’t have these problems.