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> If they are not flexible and open to change where it is legitimate and makes a positive impact, but instead act as some sort of holier-than-thou cabal where o
by MatthiasPortzel 4y ago
> If they are not flexible and open to change where it is legitimate and makes a positive impact, but instead act as some sort of holier-than-thou cabal where outsiders are shunned as they "don't get" Gemini
One of the main goals of Gemini is to have an immutable spec. The goal is to never add features. So yeah, the Gemini community is a little tired of people proposing changes and features to add to the spec. And I think it’s fair to say at some point that you “don’t get Gemini” if your first message to the mailing list is a request to add features.
To address the favicon point—the spec explicitly disallows making more than one request to open a page. Favicons require a second request, and therefore are not compatible with Gemini. The Gemini community has had the conversation about favicons and decided they didn’t want them. AFAIK no browser supports them by default. Now what?
To the TLS point, someone in Geminispace very recently proposed removing TLS citing the same arguments you did. There were dozens of Gemini posts made going back and forth, but on the whole the demand wasn’t there and we’re going to continue to use TLS.
Gemini’s simplicity makes it super easy to criticize aspects of the design or suggest new features. So it gets boring. I could go find thousands of words on why Gemini doesn’t have TLS. But it wouldn’t be a better explanation that the one on the Gemini home page, which I assume that you’ve read and are unhappy with.
- mattlondon 4y agoI have no issue with TLS in Gemini, just that it is pretty hypocritical in my mind to cite simplicity as a driving factor, but then use a complex-to-implement TLS system. Anyway I think you have missed my point - it is not about what the "immutable spec" says, but the risk that people go their own way and do their own things with Gemini. Favicons is one thing and may be "solved", but there will be more in the future that people will add, e.g. you are already seeing abuse of the preformated block and it's alt-tag to embed markdown content and tables "illegally". I guess the all-powerful immutable spec won't be able to be updated to handle that though. Oh well.