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Very recently there was a struggle over $15 minimum wage for fast food workers. In my state they did change the minimum wage, now fast food workers make $15.

Very recently there was a struggle over $15 minimum wage for fast food workers. In my state they did change the minimum wage, now fast food workers make $15. I've noticed lately all the fast food shops are consistently understaffed. Are wages really the issue?

dymk 4y ago
If a business is having trouble hiring people at $15/hr ($30,000 a year before taxes and wage theft), then they’re still not paying enough. A $15 minimum wage hasn’t kept up with inflation and isn’t a living wage.
- PaulKeeble 4y ago
  If it had kept up with inflation it would $28 an hour. Says a lot about the vastly growing difference in earnings and how much the poorest have lost out.
tombert 4y ago
Where I live (NYC), the minimum wage is $15 an hour, which is certainly better than the federal minimum, but is still basically unlivable in New York. Cheap rent here is on the order of $1,200 a month (and that's for a roach-infested, lead-painted mess of an apartment), not even counting any other expenses. It's expensive enough that I think it prices out a lot of low-wage workers, so I think the answer is "yes", the wages are still an issue, at least in some places.
- rngname22 4y ago
  You must either really mean Manhattan or you must not have ever looked, because $1200 isn't the bottom for a bedroom. I make software eng. salary and lived in hip parts of Bushwick for 4-5 of the past 6 or so years and paid 875-1100 for a bedroom, and Bushwick is a 'cooler' part of Brooklyn. 30 min to 14th St. Union square in Manhattan on a subway. You can look on Streeteasy right now in Bushwick and see 4 bedroom apartments that net sub-1000 dollar bedrooms. These aren't roach infested, lead paint units, a fair bit will be shoebox sized rooms but modern renovations. If you were to look in an actually poor neighborhood in an unsafe area, or were to push your commuting distance to 45-60 minutes parts of Brooklyn and Queens, you could find cheaper. But it's still true that the poor are being priced out and doing it with a family (with any semblance of privacy / not living 4 people in a bedroom) would be horrid.
  - tombert 4y ago
    I did mean Manhattan, sorry, I should have clarified. Even still though, let's assume you're paying somewhere around $900/month, that's a pretty tight budget for someone making $15/hour, especially if the employer isn't giving you enough shifts to qualify for "full time". My brother in law worked at Taco Bell when he was living in NYC, and they never gave him more than 29 hours, because they were afraid of having to pay real benefits. Fortunately for him he was able to stay with us and I have a yuppie engineering job and a spare bedroom, but I can't imagine what people who have kids working at $15/hour actually do.
    - onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago
      If you can get by in a nice part of Brooklyn on a minimum wage salary - that seems not terrible. Do we really think there was a time in the past when a head of household worked at McDonald's with a stay at home partner, two kids, and car in the garage with a white picket fence in East Hampton?
  - selimthegrim 4y ago
    These aren’t the infamous basements that flooded during Ida I assume.
    - rngname22 4y ago
      No, 2 of the apartments I lived in there had central AC and heating, one had a beautiful kitchen island and skylight, the cheaper units were 3-5 bedroom units though. Rents have increased 20-25% in the past 1-2 years for sure, but it's still not $1200 as a minimum.
forinti 4y ago
I've noticed in Brazil that McDonald's is using less and less people. One McCafé I sometimes stop by only ever has one person doing all the work. And the adjoined burger spot has almost completely done away with cashiers and put machines in their place. It hasn't solved the queues or the waiting time, but it must be a bit cheaper for the firm (Brazilians wages are ridiculous - about a dollar an hour).
- davoneus 4y ago
  Yea, you see this all over. For example: in the US, you hear about how Nurses are in high demand. What they don't tell you is that hospitals and other for-care facilities (a great many of which are for-profit companies) keep their nursing staffing levels at ridiculously low levels. I don't know why this is, but I do know those big companies profits certainly aren't down.
itronitron 4y ago
The manager may be making a deliberate decision to under-staff the shop in order to keep costs down, regardless of whether they have a "We're Hiring!" sign out front.

dymk 4y ago

If a business is having trouble hiring people at $15/hr ($30,000 a year before taxes and wage theft), then they’re still not paying enough. A $15 minimum wage hasn’t kept up with inflation and isn’t a living wage.

PaulKeeble 4y ago
If it had kept up with inflation it would $28 an hour. Says a lot about the vastly growing difference in earnings and how much the poorest have lost out.

tombert 4y ago

Where I live (NYC), the minimum wage is $15 an hour, which is certainly better than the federal minimum, but is still basically unlivable in New York. Cheap rent here is on the order of $1,200 a month (and that's for a roach-infested, lead-painted mess of an apartment), not even counting any other expenses. It's expensive enough that I think it prices out a lot of low-wage workers, so I think the answer is "yes", the wages are still an issue, at least in some places.

rngname22 4y ago
You must either really mean Manhattan or you must not have ever looked, because $1200 isn't the bottom for a bedroom. I make software eng. salary and lived in hip parts of Bushwick for 4-5 of the past 6 or so years and paid 875-1100 for a bedroom, and Bushwick is a 'cooler' part of Brooklyn. 30 min to 14th St. Union square in Manhattan on a subway. You can look on Streeteasy right now in Bushwick and see 4 bedroom apartments that net sub-1000 dollar bedrooms. These aren't roach infested, lead paint units, a fair bit will be shoebox sized rooms but modern renovations. If you were to look in an actually poor neighborhood in an unsafe area, or were to push your commuting distance to 45-60 minutes parts of Brooklyn and Queens, you could find cheaper. But it's still true that the poor are being priced out and doing it with a family (with any semblance of privacy / not living 4 people in a bedroom) would be horrid.
- tombert 4y ago
  I did mean Manhattan, sorry, I should have clarified. Even still though, let's assume you're paying somewhere around $900/month, that's a pretty tight budget for someone making $15/hour, especially if the employer isn't giving you enough shifts to qualify for "full time". My brother in law worked at Taco Bell when he was living in NYC, and they never gave him more than 29 hours, because they were afraid of having to pay real benefits. Fortunately for him he was able to stay with us and I have a yuppie engineering job and a spare bedroom, but I can't imagine what people who have kids working at $15/hour actually do.
  - onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago
    If you can get by in a nice part of Brooklyn on a minimum wage salary - that seems not terrible. Do we really think there was a time in the past when a head of household worked at McDonald's with a stay at home partner, two kids, and car in the garage with a white picket fence in East Hampton?
- selimthegrim 4y ago
  These aren’t the infamous basements that flooded during Ida I assume.
  - rngname22 4y ago
    No, 2 of the apartments I lived in there had central AC and heating, one had a beautiful kitchen island and skylight, the cheaper units were 3-5 bedroom units though. Rents have increased 20-25% in the past 1-2 years for sure, but it's still not $1200 as a minimum.

forinti 4y ago

I've noticed in Brazil that McDonald's is using less and less people. One McCafé I sometimes stop by only ever has one person doing all the work. And the adjoined burger spot has almost completely done away with cashiers and put machines in their place. It hasn't solved the queues or the waiting time, but it must be a bit cheaper for the firm (Brazilians wages are ridiculous - about a dollar an hour).

davoneus 4y ago
Yea, you see this all over. For example: in the US, you hear about how Nurses are in high demand. What they don't tell you is that hospitals and other for-care facilities (a great many of which are for-profit companies) keep their nursing staffing levels at ridiculously low levels. I don't know why this is, but I do know those big companies profits certainly aren't down.

itronitron 4y ago

The manager may be making a deliberate decision to under-staff the shop in order to keep costs down, regardless of whether they have a "We're Hiring!" sign out front.