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the art and science of measurement is still quite an obstacle for us today...

Agamus 4y ago
Data science is exposing the limits of the paradigm of individuation, on which mathematics is based. It is a flawed simulacrum of a fluxing universe which never stops changing, never solidifies into a value, a digit, an individual thing. Mathematics as a reflection of reality presumes that there is a pause button on the universe. This also explains why philosophy has made no substantial progress in the past few thousand years - it makes the same assumption in the idea of 'being', which is an impossibility for the same reason.
- zmgsabst 4y ago
  > Mathematics as a reflection of reality presumes that there is a pause button on the universe. This sounds more like your personal biases than a fact about mathematics.
  - hans1729 4y ago
    I suppose the "as a reflection of reality" is the catch in that phrase. Is π built into the fabric of that which is absolute? Which statements are we able to make about axioms that hold outside of our reference frame?
    - zmgsabst 4y ago
      Pi describes relationships and outcomes we see in reality when actions are performed — and that abstract relation explains the commonality in many experiences. Eg, tossing match sticks relates to pi. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJVivjuMfWA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJVivjuMfWA
- mhh__ 4y ago
  I think data science suffers that more than mathematics does...
  - Agamus 4y ago
    In my mind, mathematics assumes that things do not change by saying that anything stays static for long enough to be called a "one thing". The philosophical basis of the concept of "one" is flawed, in my mind. As such, the rest of it is a self-referential invention, much like logic. While the universe seems very much like it is written in the language of mathematics, it is not. On the same note, the metaphysical idea of 'being' makes the same mistake, which explains why two thousand+ years of metaphysics has been mostly spinning tires. I think the research in this story is on to something.
    - meroes 4y ago
      What about something which changes is always equal to itself? Or experience is real. Static statements. Curious how you’d deny these kinds of things.

Data science is exposing the limits of the paradigm of individuation, on which mathematics is based. It is a flawed simulacrum of a fluxing universe which never stops changing, never solidifies into a value, a digit, an individual thing. Mathematics as a reflection of reality presumes that there is a pause button on the universe. This also explains why philosophy has made no substantial progress in the past few thousand years - it makes the same assumption in the idea of 'being', which is an impossibility for the same reason.

zmgsabst 4y ago
> Mathematics as a reflection of reality presumes that there is a pause button on the universe. This sounds more like your personal biases than a fact about mathematics.
- hans1729 4y ago
  I suppose the "as a reflection of reality" is the catch in that phrase. Is π built into the fabric of that which is absolute? Which statements are we able to make about axioms that hold outside of our reference frame?
  - zmgsabst 4y ago
    Pi describes relationships and outcomes we see in reality when actions are performed — and that abstract relation explains the commonality in many experiences. Eg, tossing match sticks relates to pi. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJVivjuMfWA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJVivjuMfWA
mhh__ 4y ago
I think data science suffers that more than mathematics does...
- Agamus 4y ago
  In my mind, mathematics assumes that things do not change by saying that anything stays static for long enough to be called a "one thing". The philosophical basis of the concept of "one" is flawed, in my mind. As such, the rest of it is a self-referential invention, much like logic. While the universe seems very much like it is written in the language of mathematics, it is not. On the same note, the metaphysical idea of 'being' makes the same mistake, which explains why two thousand+ years of metaphysics has been mostly spinning tires. I think the research in this story is on to something.
  - meroes 4y ago
    What about something which changes is always equal to itself? Or experience is real. Static statements. Curious how you’d deny these kinds of things.