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Yes, organizations do (and should exert) pressure when they give something, but is it done against the will of the citizens (i.e., government agreeing to things

Yes, organizations do (and should exert) pressure when they give something, but is it done against the will of the citizens (i.e., government agreeing to things the citizens don't want. A vocal opposition is not enough to claim that)? A country is free to isolate itself etc. if the people there are happy with it.

forum_ghost 4y ago
can you find people in Cyprus that were enthusiastic about losing money so that the government can pay bankers' gambling debts? a 2-3 verified examples will suffice, tia.
- RandomLensman 4y ago
  Depends what the alternative would have been... lose all deposits?
  - forum_ghost 4y ago
    You are not aware at all how Cyprus went down, are you? The banking holiday was declared in Cyprus, banks and ATMs shutodnw, everyone local is locked out completely, meanwhile deposits were drained by the rich international depositors thru oversease branches that remained open. Why do you love defending the indefensible so much? Take the L and move on.
    - RandomLensman 4y ago
      How would you know what I know about what happened in Cyprus? Was what happened the best possible result - probably not. But I would say that goes for all European responses to the financial crisis then - but that is not the same as being totally indefensible. The question has to be: what outcome could we have now that would be better and what should we have done then and could that have been done? And with Cyprus one issue is the smallness of the economy, which meant what a US might be able to do might not be possible for them on their own. EDIT: and one of the issues in Europe certainly seems to be that broad, untailored measures are not very popular even though ex-post they appear to perform better - so popular opinion does matter
      - forum_ghost 4y ago
        Do you think Germany should use more cash or less?

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Yes, organizations do (and should exert) pressure when they give something, but is it done against the will of the citizens (i.e., government agreeing to things

by RandomLensman 4y ago

forum_ghost 4y ago
can you find people in Cyprus that were enthusiastic about losing money so that the government can pay bankers' gambling debts? a 2-3 verified examples will suffice, tia.
- RandomLensman 4y ago
  Depends what the alternative would have been... lose all deposits?
  - forum_ghost 4y ago
    You are not aware at all how Cyprus went down, are you? The banking holiday was declared in Cyprus, banks and ATMs shutodnw, everyone local is locked out completely, meanwhile deposits were drained by the rich international depositors thru oversease branches that remained open. Why do you love defending the indefensible so much? Take the L and move on.
    - RandomLensman 4y ago
      How would you know what I know about what happened in Cyprus? Was what happened the best possible result - probably not. But I would say that goes for all European responses to the financial crisis then - but that is not the same as being totally indefensible. The question has to be: what outcome could we have now that would be better and what should we have done then and could that have been done? And with Cyprus one issue is the smallness of the economy, which meant what a US might be able to do might not be possible for them on their own. EDIT: and one of the issues in Europe certainly seems to be that broad, untailored measures are not very popular even though ex-post they appear to perform better - so popular opinion does matter
      - forum_ghost 4y ago
        Do you think Germany should use more cash or less?