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but do you lowball them though?

username_my1 4y ago
no ... we pay market salary ... but we can't pay VC money, every 3 months company retreat, spa ... and we can't pay FANG
- murderfs 4y ago
  > we can't pay VC money > we can't pay FANG So you're not paying market salary.
  - username_my1 4y ago
    lots of people think that vc money rates are market rates.
    - mattcwilson 4y ago
      Do they also think that Lamborghinis are “market cars?”
  - sokoloff 4y ago
    They’re not paying the top of market salary. They are paying a market salary. People who want the full FAANG experience are welcome to chase/choose that. This article and comment thread is about a hypothesis that there are very good developers who don’t want that full FAANG experience and how employers might meet them at another point on the multi-dimensional frontier defined by (company, interesting problems, pay, colleagues, BS, on-call, work conditions, tech approach, remote, etc.). Different points in that space have different market rates. The rate to work 3 days/week, full remote, with three other great colleagues on a project personally meaningful to you is different than a 5-day per week job on-site in an open bullpen pushing software to wring more value from a warehouse worker or target ads 0.0001% better.
  - brabel 4y ago
    If you think FANG is market salary you understand neither what the FANG acronym represents (the very top companies in the industry) nor what market salary means (average salaries - NOT what top companies can pay in SF).
  - compiler-guy 4y ago
    It turns out supply and demand are both curves, not points. A "market salary" is the entire graph--and even that is vastly oversimplified.
- amag 4y ago
  Personally, company retreats are generally a big turn-off for me. I prefer traveling with my family. And if I have to travel for work, I prefer it to be about the actual work and not about going someplace with the rest of the company to stand in a conference room chanting weird slogans or what not. If the work is interesting, I'd rather keep doing that and if it isn't, a company retreat is _not_ going to help.
  - throwaway1777 4y ago
    Company retreats have nothing to do with traveling on your own during your pto… With remote work it’s going to be extremely common for teams to “get together” a couple of times per year in person. This doesn’t seem like a bad thing? It’s fine not to like it but it seems valuable.
    - amag 4y ago
      Sure, but they have a lot to do with spending time away from my family. If I'm to spend time away from my family I want that time to feel worth-while. I have yet to go on a company retreat that felt worth it. The biggest boon to a company retreat has always been to come and see a new place but then I've always wished I could share that experience with my family instead.
- 908B64B197 4y ago
  How much? Have you tried raising more? What went wrong?
take_it_not 4y ago
that’s not a good question

no ... we pay market salary ... but we can't pay VC money, every 3 months company retreat, spa ... and we can't pay FANG

murderfs 4y ago
> we can't pay VC money > we can't pay FANG So you're not paying market salary.
- username_my1 4y ago
  lots of people think that vc money rates are market rates.
  - mattcwilson 4y ago
    Do they also think that Lamborghinis are “market cars?”
- sokoloff 4y ago
  They’re not paying the top of market salary. They are paying a market salary. People who want the full FAANG experience are welcome to chase/choose that. This article and comment thread is about a hypothesis that there are very good developers who don’t want that full FAANG experience and how employers might meet them at another point on the multi-dimensional frontier defined by (company, interesting problems, pay, colleagues, BS, on-call, work conditions, tech approach, remote, etc.). Different points in that space have different market rates. The rate to work 3 days/week, full remote, with three other great colleagues on a project personally meaningful to you is different than a 5-day per week job on-site in an open bullpen pushing software to wring more value from a warehouse worker or target ads 0.0001% better.
- brabel 4y ago
  If you think FANG is market salary you understand neither what the FANG acronym represents (the very top companies in the industry) nor what market salary means (average salaries - NOT what top companies can pay in SF).
- compiler-guy 4y ago
  It turns out supply and demand are both curves, not points. A "market salary" is the entire graph--and even that is vastly oversimplified.
amag 4y ago
Personally, company retreats are generally a big turn-off for me. I prefer traveling with my family. And if I have to travel for work, I prefer it to be about the actual work and not about going someplace with the rest of the company to stand in a conference room chanting weird slogans or what not. If the work is interesting, I'd rather keep doing that and if it isn't, a company retreat is _not_ going to help.
- throwaway1777 4y ago
  Company retreats have nothing to do with traveling on your own during your pto… With remote work it’s going to be extremely common for teams to “get together” a couple of times per year in person. This doesn’t seem like a bad thing? It’s fine not to like it but it seems valuable.
  - amag 4y ago
    Sure, but they have a lot to do with spending time away from my family. If I'm to spend time away from my family I want that time to feel worth-while. I have yet to go on a company retreat that felt worth it. The biggest boon to a company retreat has always been to come and see a new place but then I've always wished I could share that experience with my family instead.
908B64B197 4y ago
How much? Have you tried raising more? What went wrong?

take_it_not 4y ago

that’s not a good question