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Ok, let's take 168 hours in a week. He's got SpaceX, Twitter, Tesla and Boring company. So he's at best working 42 hours a week on each, or there is atleast one

Ok, let's take 168 hours in a week. He's got SpaceX, Twitter, Tesla and Boring company. So he's at best working 42 hours a week on each, or there is atleast one company there where he's working less than 42 hours. Oh, and that's assuming he doesn't sleep, and ignores the fact that we can publicly see it's probably 20 hours sleeping 118 hours on twitter and about 10 hours on each of the others right now.

Andrew_nenakhov 4y ago
I'm seriously amazed people even discuss this. When the employer and the owner of a business hires someone, the employer sets the terms of employment, not the other way around. If the hired person doesn't like the terms, he/she can just walk away and find a more suitable job. Imagine hiring a house cleaner, who would insist you be present in the house when the house is being cleaned?
- ytpete 4y ago
  This is of course true, but hiring strong engineers is a very competitive market these days. Especially in hot fields like ML for self-driving cars. That's really the root of this discussion - can you offer worse terms than other employers you're competing with for talent, while also being kind of a dick about it, without hurting the success of your company?
  - oxplot 4y ago
    > can you offer worse terms than other employers you're competing with for talent, while also being kind of a dick about it, without hurting the success of your company? Yes! When you have leverage, you can. What's the leverage? The amazing opportunity to work on tech that will power the future and all the challenges that come with it. Furthermore, ability to work in an environment where you are not restricted by traditional business hierarchy and practices that inhibit innovation. I know dozens of Tesla employees who've echoed the same sentiment, saying how much of more freedom and autonomy they have at Tesla, compared to their previous employers. Also what's viewed as "being a dick" is clearly relative. I see a frank and no BS memo which is closed to interpretation and doesn't waste anyone's time. As The Wolf puts it: > if I'm curt with you it's because time is a factor ... so pretty please with sugar on top, clean the fucking car
mlindner 4y ago
He's previously stated that he works over 80 hours a week, and that less than 10% of his time is spent on things that aren't SpaceX and Tesla.
- dubswithus 4y ago
  How does he have time to play Eldon Ring?

Andrew_nenakhov 4y ago

I'm seriously amazed people even discuss this. When the employer and the owner of a business hires someone, the employer sets the terms of employment, not the other way around. If the hired person doesn't like the terms, he/she can just walk away and find a more suitable job. Imagine hiring a house cleaner, who would insist you be present in the house when the house is being cleaned?

ytpete 4y ago
This is of course true, but hiring strong engineers is a very competitive market these days. Especially in hot fields like ML for self-driving cars. That's really the root of this discussion - can you offer worse terms than other employers you're competing with for talent, while also being kind of a dick about it, without hurting the success of your company?
- oxplot 4y ago
  > can you offer worse terms than other employers you're competing with for talent, while also being kind of a dick about it, without hurting the success of your company? Yes! When you have leverage, you can. What's the leverage? The amazing opportunity to work on tech that will power the future and all the challenges that come with it. Furthermore, ability to work in an environment where you are not restricted by traditional business hierarchy and practices that inhibit innovation. I know dozens of Tesla employees who've echoed the same sentiment, saying how much of more freedom and autonomy they have at Tesla, compared to their previous employers. Also what's viewed as "being a dick" is clearly relative. I see a frank and no BS memo which is closed to interpretation and doesn't waste anyone's time. As The Wolf puts it: > if I'm curt with you it's because time is a factor ... so pretty please with sugar on top, clean the fucking car

mlindner 4y ago

He's previously stated that he works over 80 hours a week, and that less than 10% of his time is spent on things that aren't SpaceX and Tesla.

dubswithus 4y ago
How does he have time to play Eldon Ring?