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If you're making 300k/year writing software you can drag your ass into the office as far as I'm concerned. If you compare that to similarly compensated occupati

If you're making 300k/year writing software you can drag your ass into the office as far as I'm concerned. If you compare that to similarly compensated occupations (doctors etc.) they don't get to play pretend-work from home. There is a definite imbalance in the value of professional occupations across industries. People outside the SV tech bubble in traditional industries (manufacturing, medical devices) are making half that doing essentially the same job. If you want to work remotely full-time, fine, but you take a pay cut. I know this comment is going to upset a lot of folks - and rightfully so - but this gravy train is going to end some day just like it did back in '00. Inertia is keeping things going at the moment.

ornornor 4y ago
> play pretend-work from home 1. If you hire people you can’t trust to do the work or if your company is so broken that people pretend-work, it’s not like warming up the seat in the office will change anything. 2. Let’s just forget about the last two years where most were remote and companies kept making record profits. Clearly, spending hours a day sitting in a polluting car to all gather in a room is a good use of everyone’s time and resources.
- assttoasstmgr 4y ago
  It's not a matter of trust so much as it is human nature. Even good employees are more likely to slack off given the temptation of essentially unsupervised work. Another way to look at it is not that the employees are remote, but that the manager is phoning it in. It's hard to be a dynamic leader through a Zoom window.
  - ornornor 4y ago
    Then measure results instead of butt in seat time?
  - kortilla 4y ago
    > Even good employees are more likely to slack off given the temptation of essentially unsupervised work. You have not worked on a team of self motivated high performers if this is your mental model.
    - ra7 4y ago
      Or they are a terrible (micro) manager who measures performance by how much ‘busy work’ people are doing.
    - Volundr 4y ago
      Or with a good manager if they think work from home means "essentially unsupervised"
  - iostream24 4y ago
    I would never work for a person who puts their poor image of humans first in our relationship vs observing my output and process and then deciding what kind of person I am. It sounds like you are a lazy slacker and expect others to be lazy slackers too. The second I smell such a suspicious attitude I run away. You would lose good people and thus should never set foot into managing anything but a locksmith SEO mafia, which will produce employees who perform to your low expectations.
kortilla 4y ago
It seems you don’t know what software engineering entails, so maybe don’t comment?

ornornor 4y ago

> play pretend-work from home 1. If you hire people you can’t trust to do the work or if your company is so broken that people pretend-work, it’s not like warming up the seat in the office will change anything. 2. Let’s just forget about the last two years where most were remote and companies kept making record profits. Clearly, spending hours a day sitting in a polluting car to all gather in a room is a good use of everyone’s time and resources.

assttoasstmgr 4y ago
It's not a matter of trust so much as it is human nature. Even good employees are more likely to slack off given the temptation of essentially unsupervised work. Another way to look at it is not that the employees are remote, but that the manager is phoning it in. It's hard to be a dynamic leader through a Zoom window.
- ornornor 4y ago
  Then measure results instead of butt in seat time?
- kortilla 4y ago
  > Even good employees are more likely to slack off given the temptation of essentially unsupervised work. You have not worked on a team of self motivated high performers if this is your mental model.
  - ra7 4y ago
    Or they are a terrible (micro) manager who measures performance by how much ‘busy work’ people are doing.
  - Volundr 4y ago
    Or with a good manager if they think work from home means "essentially unsupervised"
- iostream24 4y ago
  I would never work for a person who puts their poor image of humans first in our relationship vs observing my output and process and then deciding what kind of person I am. It sounds like you are a lazy slacker and expect others to be lazy slackers too. The second I smell such a suspicious attitude I run away. You would lose good people and thus should never set foot into managing anything but a locksmith SEO mafia, which will produce employees who perform to your low expectations.

kortilla 4y ago

It seems you don’t know what software engineering entails, so maybe don’t comment?