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some people care about more than just money and actively like working on challenging problems that they feel are helping better the world. I'd say it's a good f

some people care about more than just money and actively like working on challenging problems that they feel are helping better the world. I'd say it's a good filtering mechanism so people who just want to max TC and work the minimum like so many at FAANG don't even bother to apply average TC looks to be over 300K for devs with around 5 years experience, that's probably helped by how well their stock did the last few years https://www.levels.fyi/company/Tesla/salaries/Software-Engineer/ https://www.levels.fyi/company/Tesla/salaries/Software-Engin...

lotsofpulp 4y ago
$300k and they still cannot add CarPlay/android Auto functionality?
- rpmisms 4y ago
  It's clear at this point that they don't want to, and frankly, the car is better for it. UI is fantastic, I don't need Google's UI messing with it.
  - sjfidsfkds 4y ago
    It’s kind of lame to not be able to make use of the huge catalog of apps that integrate with Android Auto and CarPlay. For example, I use a podcast app that’s on iOS and Android. It has worked seamlessly across multiple phones and cars for me, but it’s not on the Tesla. They’re making the same mistake every other automaker did of building their own boutique infotainment OS. Everyone else has figured out by now that supporting Android Auto/CarPlay is a good way of filling in all the gaps.
    - rpmisms 4y ago
      Use Bluetooth?
      - sjfidsfkds 4y ago
        Sure Bluetooth will play the audio, but the app has a bunch of other controls: choosing an episode, skipping commercials, adjusting playback speed, etc. I’ve used that and it’s a big step backward to the 2000’s. I end up wanting to go on my phone while driving.
    - assttoasstmgr 4y ago
      On the other hand, there was a bug in CarPlay that locked out part of the UI in the Music app in my car when the car was moving. To say that was beyond annoying is an understatement. (Who would use a car radio to play music?) It was a regression introduced during an iOS upgrade and it took Apple over a year to fix and was only patched when they rolled the major version. If there was deep hardware-software-vehicle integration this would have never happened and would have been caught in testing. Unfortunately since CarPlay is developed in a disconnect from the display device, and insufficient testing is done due to the plethora of vehicles out there, bugs like this can and will happen. Ironically, this is the antithesis of the common praise levied on Apple's "controlling both the hardware and software" approach.
  - akmarinov 4y ago
    The car is definitely worse off, especially outside the US.
- tristan957 4y ago
  I consider that a feature. Not supporting monopolies is a good thing.
- deleted 4y ago
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assttoasstmgr 4y ago
If you're making 300k/year writing software you can drag your ass into the office as far as I'm concerned. If you compare that to similarly compensated occupations (doctors etc.) they don't get to play pretend-work from home. There is a definite imbalance in the value of professional occupations across industries. People outside the SV tech bubble in traditional industries (manufacturing, medical devices) are making half that doing essentially the same job. If you want to work remotely full-time, fine, but you take a pay cut. I know this comment is going to upset a lot of folks - and rightfully so - but this gravy train is going to end some day just like it did back in '00. Inertia is keeping things going at the moment.
- ornornor 4y ago
  > play pretend-work from home 1. If you hire people you can’t trust to do the work or if your company is so broken that people pretend-work, it’s not like warming up the seat in the office will change anything. 2. Let’s just forget about the last two years where most were remote and companies kept making record profits. Clearly, spending hours a day sitting in a polluting car to all gather in a room is a good use of everyone’s time and resources.
  - assttoasstmgr 4y ago
    It's not a matter of trust so much as it is human nature. Even good employees are more likely to slack off given the temptation of essentially unsupervised work. Another way to look at it is not that the employees are remote, but that the manager is phoning it in. It's hard to be a dynamic leader through a Zoom window.
    - ornornor 4y ago
      Then measure results instead of butt in seat time?
    - kortilla 4y ago
      > Even good employees are more likely to slack off given the temptation of essentially unsupervised work. You have not worked on a team of self motivated high performers if this is your mental model.

lotsofpulp 4y ago

$300k and they still cannot add CarPlay/android Auto functionality?

rpmisms 4y ago
It's clear at this point that they don't want to, and frankly, the car is better for it. UI is fantastic, I don't need Google's UI messing with it.
- sjfidsfkds 4y ago
  It’s kind of lame to not be able to make use of the huge catalog of apps that integrate with Android Auto and CarPlay. For example, I use a podcast app that’s on iOS and Android. It has worked seamlessly across multiple phones and cars for me, but it’s not on the Tesla. They’re making the same mistake every other automaker did of building their own boutique infotainment OS. Everyone else has figured out by now that supporting Android Auto/CarPlay is a good way of filling in all the gaps.
  - rpmisms 4y ago
    Use Bluetooth?
    - sjfidsfkds 4y ago
      Sure Bluetooth will play the audio, but the app has a bunch of other controls: choosing an episode, skipping commercials, adjusting playback speed, etc. I’ve used that and it’s a big step backward to the 2000’s. I end up wanting to go on my phone while driving.
  - assttoasstmgr 4y ago
    On the other hand, there was a bug in CarPlay that locked out part of the UI in the Music app in my car when the car was moving. To say that was beyond annoying is an understatement. (Who would use a car radio to play music?) It was a regression introduced during an iOS upgrade and it took Apple over a year to fix and was only patched when they rolled the major version. If there was deep hardware-software-vehicle integration this would have never happened and would have been caught in testing. Unfortunately since CarPlay is developed in a disconnect from the display device, and insufficient testing is done due to the plethora of vehicles out there, bugs like this can and will happen. Ironically, this is the antithesis of the common praise levied on Apple's "controlling both the hardware and software" approach.
- akmarinov 4y ago
  The car is definitely worse off, especially outside the US.
tristan957 4y ago
I consider that a feature. Not supporting monopolies is a good thing.
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assttoasstmgr 4y ago

If you're making 300k/year writing software you can drag your ass into the office as far as I'm concerned. If you compare that to similarly compensated occupations (doctors etc.) they don't get to play pretend-work from home. There is a definite imbalance in the value of professional occupations across industries. People outside the SV tech bubble in traditional industries (manufacturing, medical devices) are making half that doing essentially the same job. If you want to work remotely full-time, fine, but you take a pay cut. I know this comment is going to upset a lot of folks - and rightfully so - but this gravy train is going to end some day just like it did back in '00. Inertia is keeping things going at the moment.

ornornor 4y ago
> play pretend-work from home 1. If you hire people you can’t trust to do the work or if your company is so broken that people pretend-work, it’s not like warming up the seat in the office will change anything. 2. Let’s just forget about the last two years where most were remote and companies kept making record profits. Clearly, spending hours a day sitting in a polluting car to all gather in a room is a good use of everyone’s time and resources.
- assttoasstmgr 4y ago
  It's not a matter of trust so much as it is human nature. Even good employees are more likely to slack off given the temptation of essentially unsupervised work. Another way to look at it is not that the employees are remote, but that the manager is phoning it in. It's hard to be a dynamic leader through a Zoom window.
  - ornornor 4y ago
    Then measure results instead of butt in seat time?
  - kortilla 4y ago
    > Even good employees are more likely to slack off given the temptation of essentially unsupervised work. You have not worked on a team of self motivated high performers if this is your mental model.