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Does anyone here honestly cares what Elon says? Just wondering.

by dt3ft 4y ago

iancmceachern 4y ago
I dont, he's clearly been out of balance and getting worse for quite some time.
- oxplot 4y ago
  I’ve replied to your comment elsewhere and I get the impression that you are very disconnected with what Elon is like and is doing. Your comments echos mainstream media headlines which are misinformed and/or malicious wholesale. I really suggest you watch interviews with him, especially the technical ones (like with Tim Dodd at Starbase) where he is in deep in engineering and problem solving, on the ground at the site, not from some ivory tower, drinking whiskey.
  - iostream24 4y ago
    If he’s so clever he can probably figure out a way to process feedback that he’s being a deliberate dick with his statement on “pretend to work” Nothing about his public presence suggest nuance and a capacity for intelligence. Is he secretly a genius? Maybe so, but his comments about voting Republican due to twitter mob reactionism, when he is deliberately trying to buy what is obviously a political trumpet to cudgel people with suggests that he has no game theory at all… I suspect that he was lucky and interprets his luck as genius and favor from God
  - iancmceachern 4y ago
    Its not that I don't see or know the same information you are using to base your decision on. I've seen the interviews. It's that I've drawn a different conclusion than you from that information. The fact that he works as many hours as he claims isn't a good thing. It isn't a badge of honor. It's not good that he has had so many romantic partners, it isn't good that he has so many kids that he clearly isn't raising, it isn't good that he is publicly so out of balance and is clearly constantly feeding his own ego with no boundaries. It isn't good that he now is facing sexual misconduct allegations. None of these things are good. None of those things are respectable. None of those things are OK for a role model to be modeling. We need to stop idolozong people for simply being rich and famous and good engineers and we need to start idolizing people for being good humans. Elon isn't a good human. Everything he or his fan base is told so, he and they (you) hide behind all the "good" he's doing do as to draw the attention away from him not being a good human.
    - oxplot 4y ago
      > It's that I've drawn a different conclusion You've drawn the wrong conclusions, evident by you leading your argument with "pedo guy". > The fact that he works as many hours as he claims isn't a good thing. Good is too vague. Good for what? It's probably not good for his general well being. But then neither is sitting and watching Netflix. Long hours is necessary to achieve his goals as he has laid out for Tesla and SpaceX. And not just for him, for everyone who works at those companies. > It's not good that he has had so many romantic partners That's his private business. You should perhaps look into swinging. That may broaden your horizons about what is good and isn't in respect to number of romantic partners. > it isn't good that he has so many kids that he clearly isn't raising He's raising them better than 99.9% of parents out there (and he better, given the resources he has). > it isn't good that he is publicly so out of balance That doesn't mean anything! > It isn't good that he now is facing sexual misconduct allegations. So did Assange, and then they dropped it. An allegation by itself is not a proof of anything. It is however a very good signal that someone is either getting too famous, too powerful and nothing else has worked to stop them. > None of those things are respectable. None of the things you listed are valid or of any significance. > None of those things are OK for a role model to be modeling. He's led people to do their beyond best effort to achieve things that have been deemed impossible over the last 20 years, and made the world better for everyone. That's what you should be paying attention to, not his number of romantic partners. > We need to stop idolozong people for simply being rich and famous and good engineers He's rich and famous, because he's a visionary and a leader. The fact that you think people idolize him for being "rich" is yet ANOTHER clear evidence that you know little of him. You're basically equating Musk with Kardashians. > Elon isn't a good human. Watch the movie Pleasantville. :)
      - iancmceachern 4y ago
        Your exactly right on one point. Elon is the Kardashian of the tech world. He has achieved nothing we thought impossible. We thought all of these things were possible. His achievement is becoming a billionaire whole doing it. There have been many visionaries in the past, and will be many in the future, he doesn't have a monopoly on that. Correlation isn't causation. He hasn't been a visionary because he behaves in this way, he behaves in this way because he doesn't have any guardrails, consequences. There are lots of tech moguls, visionary leaders, that don't behave like him and we couldn't even name them because theybhavent had any scandals, weird behavior, etc. Those are the true role models.
rs_rs_rs_rs_rs 4y ago
Yes and I don't even like him.
oxplot 4y ago
You should care if you already don’t. He runs some of the most successful businesses and people are in long lines waiting to get hired by his companies despite the high workload and below competition (e.g. facebook, google) pay.
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  >You should care if you already don’t. He runs some of the most successful businesses and people are in long lines waiting to get hired by his companies despite the high workload and below competition (e.g. facebook, google) pay. Except that I really don't care about him though and it works well for me so far. With the risk of getting downvoted, people give him and other tech billionaires far too much importance. My life would be exactly the same without any of his products. I can easily live without PayPal, Tesla and SpaceX, while my life (and everyone else here as well) would not be possible without the products from traditional "boring" companies that nobody cares about anymore, like wind and hydro turbines from Siemens and GE, healthcare devices from Philips, Siemens and GE, semiconductors, jet engines, planes, trains, etc.
  - oxplot 4y ago
    I lost count of the number of "I", "me", "my" in your comment. > My life would be exactly the same without any of his products. And what about the lives of people who'll come after you, generations after you? Well he does care. And if you think that he runs his businesses for the money, then you're in for a big surprise when I tell you, there are far far far easier ways to make lots of money with someone of his skills and intelligence, than trying to compete in two industries, one monopolized by a few with a mind shatteringly high barrier to entry, and the other saturated by established players that have optimized their cost over a century and reduced their margins to bare minimum to stay competitive. > while my life (and everyone else here as well) would not be possible without the products from traditional "boring" companies that nobody cares about anymore Wait 50 years. Then Tesla will be traditional, boring and the one that one's life would not be possible without.
    - 4y ago

Does anyone here honestly cares what Elon says? Just wondering.

by dt3ft 4y ago

Does anyone here honestly cares what Elon says? Just wondering.

iancmceachern 4y ago

I dont, he's clearly been out of balance and getting worse for quite some time.

oxplot 4y ago
I’ve replied to your comment elsewhere and I get the impression that you are very disconnected with what Elon is like and is doing. Your comments echos mainstream media headlines which are misinformed and/or malicious wholesale. I really suggest you watch interviews with him, especially the technical ones (like with Tim Dodd at Starbase) where he is in deep in engineering and problem solving, on the ground at the site, not from some ivory tower, drinking whiskey.
- iostream24 4y ago
  If he’s so clever he can probably figure out a way to process feedback that he’s being a deliberate dick with his statement on “pretend to work” Nothing about his public presence suggest nuance and a capacity for intelligence. Is he secretly a genius? Maybe so, but his comments about voting Republican due to twitter mob reactionism, when he is deliberately trying to buy what is obviously a political trumpet to cudgel people with suggests that he has no game theory at all… I suspect that he was lucky and interprets his luck as genius and favor from God
- iancmceachern 4y ago
  Its not that I don't see or know the same information you are using to base your decision on. I've seen the interviews. It's that I've drawn a different conclusion than you from that information. The fact that he works as many hours as he claims isn't a good thing. It isn't a badge of honor. It's not good that he has had so many romantic partners, it isn't good that he has so many kids that he clearly isn't raising, it isn't good that he is publicly so out of balance and is clearly constantly feeding his own ego with no boundaries. It isn't good that he now is facing sexual misconduct allegations. None of these things are good. None of those things are respectable. None of those things are OK for a role model to be modeling. We need to stop idolozong people for simply being rich and famous and good engineers and we need to start idolizing people for being good humans. Elon isn't a good human. Everything he or his fan base is told so, he and they (you) hide behind all the "good" he's doing do as to draw the attention away from him not being a good human.
  - oxplot 4y ago
    > It's that I've drawn a different conclusion You've drawn the wrong conclusions, evident by you leading your argument with "pedo guy". > The fact that he works as many hours as he claims isn't a good thing. Good is too vague. Good for what? It's probably not good for his general well being. But then neither is sitting and watching Netflix. Long hours is necessary to achieve his goals as he has laid out for Tesla and SpaceX. And not just for him, for everyone who works at those companies. > It's not good that he has had so many romantic partners That's his private business. You should perhaps look into swinging. That may broaden your horizons about what is good and isn't in respect to number of romantic partners. > it isn't good that he has so many kids that he clearly isn't raising He's raising them better than 99.9% of parents out there (and he better, given the resources he has). > it isn't good that he is publicly so out of balance That doesn't mean anything! > It isn't good that he now is facing sexual misconduct allegations. So did Assange, and then they dropped it. An allegation by itself is not a proof of anything. It is however a very good signal that someone is either getting too famous, too powerful and nothing else has worked to stop them. > None of those things are respectable. None of the things you listed are valid or of any significance. > None of those things are OK for a role model to be modeling. He's led people to do their beyond best effort to achieve things that have been deemed impossible over the last 20 years, and made the world better for everyone. That's what you should be paying attention to, not his number of romantic partners. > We need to stop idolozong people for simply being rich and famous and good engineers He's rich and famous, because he's a visionary and a leader. The fact that you think people idolize him for being "rich" is yet ANOTHER clear evidence that you know little of him. You're basically equating Musk with Kardashians. > Elon isn't a good human. Watch the movie Pleasantville. :)
    - iancmceachern 4y ago
      Your exactly right on one point. Elon is the Kardashian of the tech world. He has achieved nothing we thought impossible. We thought all of these things were possible. His achievement is becoming a billionaire whole doing it. There have been many visionaries in the past, and will be many in the future, he doesn't have a monopoly on that. Correlation isn't causation. He hasn't been a visionary because he behaves in this way, he behaves in this way because he doesn't have any guardrails, consequences. There are lots of tech moguls, visionary leaders, that don't behave like him and we couldn't even name them because theybhavent had any scandals, weird behavior, etc. Those are the true role models.

rs_rs_rs_rs_rs 4y ago

Yes and I don't even like him.

oxplot 4y ago

You should care if you already don’t. He runs some of the most successful businesses and people are in long lines waiting to get hired by his companies despite the high workload and below competition (e.g. facebook, google) pay.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
>You should care if you already don’t. He runs some of the most successful businesses and people are in long lines waiting to get hired by his companies despite the high workload and below competition (e.g. facebook, google) pay. Except that I really don't care about him though and it works well for me so far. With the risk of getting downvoted, people give him and other tech billionaires far too much importance. My life would be exactly the same without any of his products. I can easily live without PayPal, Tesla and SpaceX, while my life (and everyone else here as well) would not be possible without the products from traditional "boring" companies that nobody cares about anymore, like wind and hydro turbines from Siemens and GE, healthcare devices from Philips, Siemens and GE, semiconductors, jet engines, planes, trains, etc.
- oxplot 4y ago
  I lost count of the number of "I", "me", "my" in your comment. > My life would be exactly the same without any of his products. And what about the lives of people who'll come after you, generations after you? Well he does care. And if you think that he runs his businesses for the money, then you're in for a big surprise when I tell you, there are far far far easier ways to make lots of money with someone of his skills and intelligence, than trying to compete in two industries, one monopolized by a few with a mind shatteringly high barrier to entry, and the other saturated by established players that have optimized their cost over a century and reduced their margins to bare minimum to stay competitive. > while my life (and everyone else here as well) would not be possible without the products from traditional "boring" companies that nobody cares about anymore Wait 50 years. Then Tesla will be traditional, boring and the one that one's life would not be possible without.
  - 4y ago