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Sorry, non Axolotl posting, just thinking about third party Signal software... Moxie Marlinspike on May 5th 2016: > I'm not OK with LibreSignal using our serv

Sorry, non Axolotl posting, just thinking about third party Signal software... Moxie Marlinspike on May 5th 2016: > I'm not OK with LibreSignal using our servers, and I'm not OK with LibreSignal using the name "Signal." You're free to use our source code for whatever you would like under the terms of the license, but you're not entitled to use our name or the service that we run. > If you think running servers is difficult and expensive (you're right), ask yourself why you feel entitled for us to run them for your product. Moxie stepped down as CEO, in January this year (2022) but is still on the board. Whose to say whether there will be any change, but it's been interesting seeing Signal as a somewhat defended property. Although various third party clients/tools/libraries do exist already. It's been interesting how defensive the world is about the un-third-party-clientness, how readily people jump to defend Signal. It makes me think of folks defending iOS'ed closeness- defenders of a rigorous & singular status quo. The claim that running servers is expensive would have been more interesting, imo, had there been any viable way to run your own. But for a long while Signal server source code wasn't being updated at all. [1] https://github.com/LibreSignal/LibreSignal/issues/37#issuecomment-217211165 https://github.com/LibreSignal/LibreSignal/issues/37#issueco... [2] https://signal.org/blog/new-year-new-ceo/ https://signal.org/blog/new-year-new-ceo/

ls15 4y ago
>> I'm not OK with LibreSignal using our servers, and I'm not OK with LibreSignal using the name "Signal." You're free to use our source code for whatever you would like under the terms of the license, but you're not entitled to use our name or the service that we run. >> If you think running servers is difficult and expensive (you're right), ask yourself why you feel entitled for us to run them for your product. Then charge the users or ask for donations? Why is this a problem with signal, but not with matrix? Anyone can create a new client for matrix and connect it to any matrix instance. Just like an email client can be connected to any server. That's the idea. Why is this an issue with Signal. To me it looks like they are just using BS reasoning for keeping tight control over the client. > The claim that running servers is expensive would have been more interesting, imo, had there been any viable way to run your own. But for a long while Signal server source code wasn't being updated at all. Bingo

ls15 4y ago

>> I'm not OK with LibreSignal using our servers, and I'm not OK with LibreSignal using the name "Signal." You're free to use our source code for whatever you would like under the terms of the license, but you're not entitled to use our name or the service that we run. >> If you think running servers is difficult and expensive (you're right), ask yourself why you feel entitled for us to run them for your product. Then charge the users or ask for donations? Why is this a problem with signal, but not with matrix? Anyone can create a new client for matrix and connect it to any matrix instance. Just like an email client can be connected to any server. That's the idea. Why is this an issue with Signal. To me it looks like they are just using BS reasoning for keeping tight control over the client. > The claim that running servers is expensive would have been more interesting, imo, had there been any viable way to run your own. But for a long while Signal server source code wasn't being updated at all. Bingo