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Nokia Lumia 800
- oyving 15y agoThe design of the phone reminds me of the old iPod mini (maybe it's just the color). It looks good, and I like the head phones made in the same style.
- thisstreet 15y agoIt's a great form factor, I like it very much -- it feels slimmer than the iPhone: http://versusio.com/en/nokia-lumia-800-vs-apple-iphone-4s-64gb http://versusio.com/en/nokia-lumia-800-vs-apple-iphone-4s-64... (click at the top right to view the phones in original size) I'd love it with a different OS
- kzkg 15y agoWhy different OS? WP7 is a great system.
- majika 15y agoReally? Let's talk about compatibility with Linux, ergo, being able to use your phone as a mass-storage device. Let's talk about compatibility with all major mobile web apps. Let's talk about the ability, or lack thereof, to detach oneself from Microsoft's ecosystem, should you decide to get a Windows Phone. Who wants to use Bing, Hotmail, or the Windows Live stuff? Let's talk about universal usage in modern society, resulting in apps for everything you could ever want. For instance, my university offers Android and iOS apps for navigation throughout the obscenely large campus. Windows Phone 7 is a crippled system. It makes me sad, because Nokia makes great phones. It's a pity they didn't go with Android, which would give them the freedom to do whatever they want, not needing Google's permission. I would buy a Nokia Android phone in a heartbeat.
- kzkg 15y ago1. It's a phone, not a mass-storage device. 2. Based on my experience, they work pretty well. 3. Or gmail, twitter, facebook? (although bing kinda annoys me as a default search engine) 4. Just wait for WP7 userbase to grow.
- cryptoz 15y ago> 1. It's a phone, not a mass-storage device. Okay, this is getting silly. It's a phone, it's a mass storage device, it's a computer, it's a global networking device, it's a camera, it's a GPS locator, etc. It's all of them at the same time. Don't call it "a phone" and ignore everything else it can (or should be able to) do.
- ugh 15y agoWhy do you want it to be a mass storage device? I don’t get it.
- icebraining 15y agoTo copy files to it? Music, documents, videos, etc? Sure, you can use Wifi, but that's slower, more cumbersome and wastes battery life.
- ugh 15y agoManually? What century is this? Isn’t there a way to sync? That would be strictly preferable to a mass storage device.
- icebraining 15y agoNo, it wouldn't, exactly because that wouldn't be OS agnostic. And who said anything about it being manual? Mass storage devices can be synced. Mine certainly are.
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- recoiledsnake 15y agoA lot of things on there are the ones that you're missing but not the general public. Just look at the iPhone's success. If you're a Linux type(or MS hater) then these phones are not for you. The rest of the 99% of the planet might consider them. >It's a pity they didn't go with Android, which would give them the freedom to do whatever they want, not needing Google's permission. I would buy a Nokia Android phone in a heartbeat. Android giving them the freedom to do whatever they want? Huh? The source code of a new version is dropped over a wall after their competitor has already released a device with it(if the source is released at all). Android dev is nothing like the Linux kernel dev. Maybe you would know that? Also, Nokia was in talks with Google over Android but Google wouldn't give them many concessions. Your anger should probably be directed at them. And it's not even like you can complain about the lack of options on Linux. There's a ton of Android phones coming out every month, each better in specs than the month previous and they're pretty popular and have loads of apps. What next, you'd buy the iPhone 5 but the only thing stopping you is that it doesn't run Android?
- rbanffy 15y ago> If you're a Linux type(or MS hater) Careful. Those are not synonymous. > Nokia was in talks with Google over Android but Google wouldn't give them many concessions. Nokia wouldn't need concessions. Barnes & Noble didn't need the, nor did Amazon. They grabbed the code and used it. Android would be a good choice because a) Nokia could tailor the experience to whatever they wanted b) they already have extensive experience with Linux (and Android is Linux) and c) there is actually a market for Android phones True Microsoft gave them a ton of cash to tip the balance towards WP7. That should also indicate what is actually needed to tip the balance towards making WP7 phones - that, unless US$ 1+ billion is involved, WP7 is not worth it.
- recoiledsnake 15y agoNokia already proved itself to be inept at making software. Customizing Android and then integrating the source code that Google throws over a wall is not a good move. B&N makes a e-reader which is pretty limited in rival competition and software features. Where's the iReader? Coming to Amazon, they know a few things about software and a laser like focus that Nokia lacks. In fact, the Nokia board specifically recruited a CEO who had experience in managing software companies(Macromedia/MS) just because Nokia was spiraling down because of the software and it was almost too late to right the course without the risk of completely dying. >rue Microsoft gave them a ton of cash to tip the balance towards WP7. That should also indicate what is actually needed to tip the balance towards making WP7 phones - that, unless US$ 1+ billion is involved, WP7 is not worth it. I think it was more about Nokia's need rather than because WP7 sucked as a choice. Regardless of WP7 sucking and Android rocking, Nokia would need to survive 2011 intact, and if making the hardware and writing drivers for WP7 took more than 7 months, what makes you think they can reliably modify Android(a software task that Nokia is weak at) in such a short span of time? Remember, every month that Nokia doesn't have a viable smartphone platform on the shelves, it's bleeding mindshare, marketshare and money to run operations. They were also able to win the right to modify WP7 and get the latest source code before it's throw over a wall by Google after Motorola/Samsung/HTC already have a device on store shelves running it.
- rbanffy 15y agoWe can really see it taking over the market any time now...
- sjs 15y agoThat's pretty funny. iirc you are a desktop Linux user, right? Do you use it because it's "taking over the market" or because it works well for you?
- rbanffy 15y agoI use Linux because it's a flexible, elegant and simple architecture, battle-tested under the most demanding conditions and based on a standard that has almost 40 years of service. Also because it closes any impedance mismatch between my desktop, my phone and the servers that run the code I write. About that, as far as the two markets I am most concerned, phones (we are talking about them, after all) and servers (where I work), Linux already took over the market. WP7, OTOH, was written from scratch because it's predecessor (WinCE/WinMO) was so miserably broken Microsoft really had no choice but starting from scratch.
- wazoox 15y agoYou can have it with Meego, as the N9. It's almost exactly the same hardware (the N9 has an additional button).
- stuaxo 15y agoIf someone can get meego working on the lumia I'd definitely consider it ... (an actual n9 is harder to come by, would prob be more expensive).
- rbanffy 15y agoShould be ridiculously easy. It's more or less the same hardware and the Meego side is open-source.
- Geee 15y agoNo, Lumia has three capacitive windows buttons and physical camera button in addition to N9 hardware. N9 has buttonless interface.
- rbanffy 15y agoIn the end, they are pretty much the same phone with different OS.
- kiiski 15y agoLumia seems to have a different CPU. Edit: Apparently it also has less ram.
- rbanffy 15y agoI can't find the specs for the N9 CPU, but the Lumia is 7 grams heavier and 0.5 mm longer. It could house 7 more grams of battery and the shorter battery life could indicate a beefier CPU. Or a less power efficient OS. I'll go for the second.
- coob 15y agoThat Versio site is terrible. For start, some of its facts are just plain wrong, the 4S has 512MB RAM not 1GB. It also has HDMI mirroring and video output. Branded Lens? Who cares? Why is a bigger screen better?
- masklinn 15y agoYeah, and a bunch of stuff is missing as well: resolution is not there (even though screen size is), neither is autonomy (claimed or actual, who cares about 3% more/less battery capacity when the hardware and OS are widely different?), performances (CPU and/or GPU). And some of the claims are downright weird ("1.9 newer Bluetooth version"? Really?). It's everything that's wrong about checklist comparisons, made even worse.
- Geee 15y agoWhy don't you get the N9 then? You can get it from Expansys if you're in USA. This form factor was designed together with the Harmattan software and Swipe UX. I'm waiting for mine to arrive.
- rbanffy 15y agoAt $754 unlocked it won't be very popular.
- ZeroGravitas 15y agoGlad to see plastic making a comeback. Glass and metal was getting a bit boring.
- firefoxman1 15y agoLOL you just made my day.
- Tomek_ 15y agoAnyone actually managed to find a link to pre-order?
- fauldsh 15y agoHave done in the uk http://tinypic.com/r/1zeflw3/5 http://tinypic.com/r/1zeflw3/5 There is a second page, but when ordered by price it's not available and I'm in a rush right now unfortunately.
- teyc 15y agoInteresting how it has only 0.5GB of RAM. Is this meant to be Nokia's flagship Windows Phone product? As an aside, I still think Apple got it right with the single hardware "home" button vs the three in WP7 and Android.
- coob 15y agoWhat needs more than half a gig? The 4S copes. Going up to 1GB adds an unnecessary $9 to the BOM which eats into margins.
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- masklinn 15y agoBiggest issue with more RAM is not money so much as battery capacity: it's very hard to gate RAM, so more ram means more transistors which are very hard to shut down, meaning lower battery capacity. And a higher surface area and more heat (assuming the manufacturing process is constant). On a mobile device, more RAM is often a balancing act.
- rbanffy 15y agoWould be nice if we could power down unused memory regions... Sounds easy to implement - a "this block is unused" line on the memory chip that would power down the block pointed to by the address bus. Any write to that region would automatically power it back on. Latency on the first write could be a problem unless we could cache writes (L4-cache within the memory module, perhaps? don't we already do something like it?)
- recoiledsnake 15y agoThe power up/down logic, hardware and individual power wiring could consume enough power and hardware to render the savings useless.
- paul9290 15y agoFunner? I thought "more fun," is the grammatically correct phrase?
- lukifer 15y agoLanguage is an evolving, organic thing. In casual use, I consider "funner" valid. It only sounds weird when you're not used to hearing it.
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- saturdaysaint 15y agoI'm in the "language evolves" camp, but I find "funner" to be pretty awkward. Oddly, I hear "funnest" a lot more often and it comes across a lot more naturally to me. I find it cloying/annoying for marketing copy to try to push the envelope like this.
- masklinn 15y agohttp://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/is-funnest-a-word.aspx http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/is-funnest-a-word.aspx
- 6ren 15y agoCPU seems to be MSM8255T (they didn't mention the T) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(system_on_chip) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(system_on_chip) 1.4GHz is fast, but the OS might be slow, and certainly they have less experience in integrating it with the hardware, to make it fast. BTW the images look like CGI mockups to me. EDIT I was wrong
- rkwz 15y agoHands on video: http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/26/nokia-lumia-800-hands-on/ http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/26/nokia-lumia-800-hands-on/
- ttrashh 15y agoThe OS is very fast. I have a Samsung Focus with a 1ghz processor and it runs much better than any android 2.x phone I've seen. I think Ice Cream Sandwich will finally add hardware acceleration (which Windows Phone 7 has had since launch) so maybe it will perform better.
- rbanffy 15y agoIs it my impression or it's basically a Nokia N9 with different software and an extra button?
- archiloque 15y agoI love how the "very fast" page shows some games icons and "lots of fun" is MS Office
- DuqE 15y agoDoes anyone else think the Nokia Lumia 800 looks like an iPod Nano in design with a touchable screen? The rounded sides and flat top / bottom and the multiple / bright colours.
- RexRollman 15y agoI know this is going to sound stupid, but one of the things I like iOS and Android is that you can set your own wallpaper. Does Windows 7 Phone support that? I ask because blocks on a solid background strikes me as boring. (BTW, my old Zune did support wallpapers, so this is a step backwards if Windows 7 Phone doesn't.)
- joelhooks 15y agoIt does, on the phones I've seen. They are a rare sight.
- rkwz 15y agoDo you mean the lock screen wallpaper or the wallpaper behind the app icons (tiles)? Only the first one is possible.
- RexRollman 15y agoSo wallpaper only on the lockscreen? That's disappointing but not surprising, now that I think about it, as the Windows 8 developer preview I tried was the same way.
- rkwz 15y agoYes, just like the windows 8 preview.