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I'm confused about wikidata vs wikipedia - I'm surprised by the large number of dots near me, I thought every dot was related to a wikipedia article, then I cli

I'm confused about wikidata vs wikipedia - I'm surprised by the large number of dots near me, I thought every dot was related to a wikipedia article, then I clicked on the dots and realized they were wikidata, not wikipedia

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bawolff 4y ago
Wikipedia is prose articles Wikidata is a semantic web thing to collect facts about the world in a machine readable way (e.g. queryable via https://query.wikidata.org https://query.wikidata.org ) Generally speaking, wikidata is more broad than wikipedia.
jleedev 4y ago
There are 239 Wikipedia articles about Barack Obama, but only one Wikidata concept. Comes in handy when updating the interwiki language links, or being able to automatically fill out those infoboxes.
shp0ngle 4y ago
I have a personal opinion that might not be popular Wikipedia is actual encyclopedia and useful Wikidata is a weird idea to create a weird “semantic web” - a hierarchy of everything that ever existed or will exist - and it’s about as useful and easy to understand as previous experiments with semantic web. Wikimedia seems to double down on this instead of letting it die; I really don’t understand the point, I don’t think that it’s useful and it’s really hard to edit, as a editor. Interesting thing is - it’s CC0 instead of creative commons for some reason. Their argument is that you cannot copyright a fact. I donno.
- bawolff 4y ago
  Weird take when wikidata has 117% year-over-year page view growth. The audience is quite different, and it may very well not be useful to you, and that is ok, but wikidata clearly has an audience and seems to be on an upswing. Its certainly doing better than pretty much all the other sister projects. As an aside, politically wikidata is really WM-DE's baby, so its really more them doubling down and WMF along for the ride, but of course its all very intertwined.
  - lentil_soup 4y ago
    WM-DE?
    - mormegil 4y ago
      Wikimedia Germany, the German "chapter" of Wikimedia; see https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Deutschland https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Deutschland
    - topranks 4y ago
      https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters https://edri.org/our-work/member-spotlight-wikimedia-deutschland/ https://edri.org/our-work/member-spotlight-wikimedia-deutsch...
  - shp0ngle 4y ago
    ok. Maybe I am not the target audience. It’s definitely not the least useful of the wiki projects - that award definitely goes to WikiNews - but at least WikiNews is not intertwined with everything on wikipedia.
    - bawolff 4y ago
      Lol, as someone who used to be involved with wikinews, can't say i disagree. However i also never really understood the point of wikispecies either.

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bawolff 4y ago

Wikipedia is prose articles Wikidata is a semantic web thing to collect facts about the world in a machine readable way (e.g. queryable via https://query.wikidata.org https://query.wikidata.org ) Generally speaking, wikidata is more broad than wikipedia.

jleedev 4y ago

There are 239 Wikipedia articles about Barack Obama, but only one Wikidata concept. Comes in handy when updating the interwiki language links, or being able to automatically fill out those infoboxes.

shp0ngle 4y ago

I have a personal opinion that might not be popular Wikipedia is actual encyclopedia and useful Wikidata is a weird idea to create a weird “semantic web” - a hierarchy of everything that ever existed or will exist - and it’s about as useful and easy to understand as previous experiments with semantic web. Wikimedia seems to double down on this instead of letting it die; I really don’t understand the point, I don’t think that it’s useful and it’s really hard to edit, as a editor. Interesting thing is - it’s CC0 instead of creative commons for some reason. Their argument is that you cannot copyright a fact. I donno.

bawolff 4y ago
Weird take when wikidata has 117% year-over-year page view growth. The audience is quite different, and it may very well not be useful to you, and that is ok, but wikidata clearly has an audience and seems to be on an upswing. Its certainly doing better than pretty much all the other sister projects. As an aside, politically wikidata is really WM-DE's baby, so its really more them doubling down and WMF along for the ride, but of course its all very intertwined.
- lentil_soup 4y ago
  WM-DE?
  - mormegil 4y ago
    Wikimedia Germany, the German "chapter" of Wikimedia; see https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Deutschland https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Deutschland
  - topranks 4y ago
    https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters https://edri.org/our-work/member-spotlight-wikimedia-deutschland/ https://edri.org/our-work/member-spotlight-wikimedia-deutsch...
- shp0ngle 4y ago
  ok. Maybe I am not the target audience. It’s definitely not the least useful of the wiki projects - that award definitely goes to WikiNews - but at least WikiNews is not intertwined with everything on wikipedia.
  - bawolff 4y ago
    Lol, as someone who used to be involved with wikinews, can't say i disagree. However i also never really understood the point of wikispecies either.