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I asked them for schematics after I bought my framework laptop and got the following response: “We hope you are enjoying your Framework laptop! We only provide
by cbsks 4y ago
I asked them for schematics after I bought my framework laptop and got the following response:
“We hope you are enjoying your Framework laptop! We only provide full schematics and assembly drawings to repair shops who get Framework products in for repair. Let us know if we can help with anything else.”
- netr0ute 4y agoSad, because a couple decades ago, complete schematics were all too common and included with every electric product sold.
- Alupis 4y agoThis isn't a toaster or anything. A few decades ago nearly all but the most complicated devices could have their entire schematic printed in the last few pages of the owner's manual. Today... a typical PC mainboard schematic might be hundreds or thousands of pages dealing with all sorts of complications for RF and stuff. What would 99.999% of people do with such a schematic?
- netr0ute 4y agoIronic, because it's gotten easier than ever to include such big files, either on a USB drive or preloaded onto the SSD.
- userbinator 4y agoToday... a typical PC mainboard schematic might be hundreds or thousands of pages Go find one and take a look. Seriously, they're out there. Google an OEM name followed by "schematic" (quoted, because otherwise anti-repair Google will misdirect you to owner's manuals and other shit) and start reading. I'll challenge you to find one that's over 100 pages, because I personally haven't seen one. They're closer to 50-70.
- colejohnson66 4y agoProject Olympus[0] from OpenCompute is 238 pages for the Intel XSP version. [0]: https://www.opencompute.org/wiki/Server/ProjectOlympus https://www.opencompute.org/wiki/Server/ProjectOlympus
- stormbrew 4y agoMaybe more than a couple decades ago? I haven't seen a computer that included schematics since my dad's Tandy 3000 from the mid-80s. And even in the 80s the TVs and VCRs we had were covered in "don't try to repair this yourself" warnings and I really doubt included schematics.
- cristoperb 4y agoI'm naive about the industry, but that's pretty shocking to me considering how much of the Framework marketing copy touts its repairability.
- JohnTHaller 4y agoTheir repair-ability is better than basically any other commercial laptop: https://frame.work/marketplace/parts https://frame.work/marketplace/parts You can upgrade your mainboard/cpu, RAM, SSD, wifi card. Swap in a new speaker, display, hinge, keyboard, touchpad, webcam, fingerprint reader, antenna, headphone jack, etc. And complete schematics are available to repair shops under an NDA if you would like to have your mainboard or similar repaired at the component level.
- userbinator 4y agoFor other laptops, complete schematics are available to everyone if you know where to look.
- philliphaydon 4y ago> RAM, SSD, wifi card. Swap in a new speaker, display, hinge, keyboard, touchpad, webcam, fingerprint reader, antenna, headphone jack I can do all that with every Lenovo laptop I’ve owned. All parts can be purchased.
- JohnTHaller 4y agoI looked up a couple currently sold Lenovo laptops and there aren't parts available according to browsing to the model in the Support section and clicking the Parts icon.
- tintedfireglass 4y agoWhy do you need original parts when there are millions of options. If there is no Lenovo RAM I'd buy crucial ram or Samsung ram. If there's no ssd I'd buy an Intel ssd or whatever else. For a display replacement of course you won't be able to do it on your own and anyways it's not a phone and displays rarely break in laptops so Lenovo center will do it for you if you can't find any displays.
- MarcelOlsz 4y agoThis sinks the company in my eyes.
- JohnTHaller 4y agoNot sure of any other company that does this: https://frame.work/marketplace/parts https://frame.work/marketplace/parts
- Nextgrid 4y agoLenovo laptops are designed to be taken apart and every part can be purchased.
- JohnTHaller 4y agoI didn't see any parts listed for a couple of the currently sold models in Lenovo's support section.
- yjftsjthsd-h 4y agoThey are still better than everything else on the market. Not that I approve, but they still suck less than any other laptop you can buy today (except, perhaps, the MNT Reform).
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- jamesy0ung 4y agoThe board is using licensed designs from the part manufacturers such as Intel. I'm quite sure they would be in trouble if they shared too much.