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A huge number thinks they will die because of global warming. Relentless propaganda aimed at kids takes its toll.

legalcorrection 4y ago
Yeah it’s jarring when you see what teenagers post online about this. They really believe that they and their friends are going to drop dead from climate change.
- gedy 4y ago
  Reminds me of high school in the cold war: "Why bother? The bombs are coming any day!"
  - misslibby 4y ago
    That is why I disapprove of all the fear-mongering. I lived through that as a teen, and it was very depressing. I honestly thought I would never see my 30ieth birthday, either because of nukes or because of the hole in the ozone layer.
- Shared404 4y ago
  Given the number of "Once in a lifetime events" I as an early 20 year old have lived through, I entirely understand the feeling of everything is going to collapse. The house is made of cards, and there are people running around trying collect more cards than everyone else - even when those are at the base. Meanwhile, someones turned up the AC at one end of the house and the heater at the other, and we've got weird air currents blowing every which way.
  - legalcorrection 4y ago
    - Shared404 4y ago
      9/11 was a matter of months after I was born. I watched my parents struggle to provide during 2008. We have been at war for the entirety of my time being sentient. It's been 12 years since we've had a year with "only" one mass shooting. I watched my siblings and friends miss out on 50%+ of their high school experience - due to a plague that has killed 1,000,000+ in the US alone. A mob stormed the capital building. We've spent the last several months closer to nuclear war than we have been since the cold war. On top of all that, we're stuck in a two party system where one does nothing, and one is actively malicious, and has the Supreme Court on the verge of tearing down a ruling which has been the basis of a massive number of other extremely important rulings. Don't tell me everything is fine.
      - abduhl 4y ago
      - Shared404 4y ago
        To the sibling to this, who presumably won't see it. > So you don’t remember 9/11 Correct, I don't remember the actual event. Just observed the trauma and fear that it inflicted, as most people of voting age at the time rallied to work together and... decrease our rights and blow up brown people. And the terror, on everyone's face when they talked about it. The videos in school where we watched clips of it happen, again and again, each year. So no, I don't remember it live, but that was in response to the "you've _lived_ through" portion of the above comment, or I would've skipped it anyways. > and were being raised in a two parent household during the housing crash Ha. I'm not going into detail here on that aspect of my life, but you're laughable here. > while a “war” (actually an occupation of two countries) you were totally disconnected from went on overseas? Legally still a war, resulting in perpetuation of PATRIOT et al. > And you were going to school all through this after when school shootings actually shocked the nation? "Haha, your generation and everyone else has become desensitized to the fact that every few months some lunatic shoots up a school/nightclub/party/$EVENT" ... yes, that's literally the point. > And you still didn’t learn that it’s spelled Capitol? That one's on me. Guess I shouldn't HN late at night after work/school. > And you think that we’re closer to nuclear war now than we were in the 00s and 90s (sorry, that’s unfair: you don’t even remember the 90s)? Based on my analysis of everyone's reactions around me? Yes. Based on the fact that there's a cancer-ridden egomaniac in charge of one of the worlds largest nuclear arsenals, and he seems determined to win at all costs? Yes. If I'm wrong I'd love to be corrected, but the only evidence you've provided are ad hominem attacks. > All while living in an era of expanded “human rights” from the very political establishments that you apparently now think are going to destroy society? /me facepalms That's the point. That's the freaking point. People made progress, and now there are people in positions of power actively trying to undo said progress. I have listened to some of these talking heads call me a demon, ask "when do we start using the guns?", say I deserve to die. And yet they keep getting more powerful. > Sorry, but your generation has never known adversity until 2020 and you grew up in one of the most peaceful times in human history. You’re part of the touchscreen generation. You’re a Zoomer. Even your generation’s name is soft. Ad hominem, [citation required], ad hominem, ad hominem. > The “once in a lifetime” events you hear about are clickbait. Tell me, was 9/11 not once in a lifetime? (again, remember that this was in response to events that people my age and older have lived through). Has Covid not been "reasonably" described as "once in a lifetime"? I know a lot of people described the 2008 recession as "once in a lifetime"? Was the mob on Jan 6 not "Once in a lifetime"? Would the Ukraine war not have qualified as "once in a lifetime" two decades ago? People have finally stopped using the term except as a "lol, yet another 'once in a lifetime' experience". The point is as much when my generation is coming of age as when we're raised. Half of us see no possible way to improve our standard of living - self improvement is hard when you need two or three full time jobs to survive.
  - misslibby 4y ago
    Except you haven't really lived through anything serious at all, compared to previous generations. I find that kind of notion rather embarrassing.
- Hextinium 4y ago
  (I mentor highschool students) I have seen it a lot more of "why even try because our quality of life is going into the toilet" and less of "we are all going to die"
dejawu 4y ago
I ask this genuinely and non-rhetorically: are they wrong? Everything seems to say that we are running out of time to avert climate disaster, and they're the ones who will have to live with the consequences if we fail.
- core-utility 4y ago
  How many times can we be running out of time before it's reasonable to be doubtful of the message? I think there have been at least 4 "end of the world" scenarios in my rather short lifetime and there's always a new proposed date after each one is proven false.
  - sodality2 4y ago
    "Out of time to avert climate disaster" means beyond the point of no return where no reasonable act can reverse it. It does not mean we are suffering from extreme consequences currently..
    - core-utility 4y ago
      I still stand by my point.
      - sodality2 4y ago
        "How many times can we be running out of time before it's reasonable to be doubtful of the message? I think there have been at least 4 "end of the world" scenarios in my rather short lifetime and there's always a new proposed date after each one is proven false." It can be compared to, "How many times can we change the solar system model before it's reasonable to be doubtful of the message? I think there have been at least 4 changes in what we believe to be the center of our universe in my rather short lifetime and there's always a new proposed center after each one is proven false." It is a science. It is scientifically proven that the damage we have done to our climate is going to eventually cause very bad consequences. The only question is when, which is very difficult to pin down with constantly changing conditions. It's like trying to identify when the next tornado will hit. You don't know precisely when, you might have some false positives, but you know it will happen. You don't get to say, "Well this is the fifth time the meteorologist has told me to evacuate, I have reason to believe this is politically motivated".
avs733 4y ago
Can you clarify this for me?
- misslibby 4y ago
  What exactly do you mean? Kids think they will die because of climate change, because that is what they are constantly being told, by the media and the school system, among other things.
diordiderot 4y ago
Yes, big (checks notes) renewable energy, using their (checks notes) global economic dominance over energy companies to manufacture consent to (checks notes) reduce pollution, prevent ecosystem collapse for (checks notes) communism
- xtian 4y ago
  How puzzling that the notes you need to keep checking don't include the explicit agenda of depopulation and halting economic development that is coming out of Davos.
  - diordiderot 4y ago
    You think anyone at Davos has any control!? you're sadly mistaken. The malthusian aims of that cult is just a distraction from the real goal of hyperpopulation. Why else do you think they made the metaverse. First step into our matrix pods. They plan to use our bodies as bio reactors and foodstuffs.
    - xtian 4y ago
      MSNBC hasn’t told me anything about that. That’s the neutral projection of reality I trust.
  - drekk 4y ago
    Overpopulation is mostly just a way to hand-wring about developing countries that aren't responsible for most historic emissions and have much lower per-capita emissions. It often overlaps with racist neocolonialism (see: Bill Gates directing global health policy and being really concerned about black birth rates) As for economic development I think the past few years have shown us very well (though whether or not people want to hear the message will remain to be seen) is that optimizing for economic growth and development (namely GDP) means you're not optimizing for things like redundancy and resilience and stability. Growth for growth's sake is the ideology of a cancer cell; it doesn't have to be ours. How many more "once in a lifetime" economic crisis do we get before we take that to heart?
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juve1996 4y ago
Is there any substantiation to this claim?
- misslibby 4y ago
  You mean about the relentless propaganda, or the kids living in fear? Not sure how you could not notice it so far? I have also seen articles citing a significant number of kids being psychologically impacted by it. Not sure how active for example "Fridays For Future" is in your country? Relentless propaganda: if you have kids in school, odds are any event they plan will be littered with climate change stuff, for example. My kids school decided cakes for the next event will have to be vegan because it is better for the climate, for example. Science projects will be about climate something. And that is just school, media is on a whole other level. The only thing more popular atm is the transgender craze.

Yeah it’s jarring when you see what teenagers post online about this. They really believe that they and their friends are going to drop dead from climate change.

gedy 4y ago
Reminds me of high school in the cold war: "Why bother? The bombs are coming any day!"
- misslibby 4y ago
  That is why I disapprove of all the fear-mongering. I lived through that as a teen, and it was very depressing. I honestly thought I would never see my 30ieth birthday, either because of nukes or because of the hole in the ozone layer.
Shared404 4y ago
Given the number of "Once in a lifetime events" I as an early 20 year old have lived through, I entirely understand the feeling of everything is going to collapse. The house is made of cards, and there are people running around trying collect more cards than everyone else - even when those are at the base. Meanwhile, someones turned up the AC at one end of the house and the heater at the other, and we've got weird air currents blowing every which way.
- legalcorrection 4y ago
  - Shared404 4y ago
    9/11 was a matter of months after I was born. I watched my parents struggle to provide during 2008. We have been at war for the entirety of my time being sentient. It's been 12 years since we've had a year with "only" one mass shooting. I watched my siblings and friends miss out on 50%+ of their high school experience - due to a plague that has killed 1,000,000+ in the US alone. A mob stormed the capital building. We've spent the last several months closer to nuclear war than we have been since the cold war. On top of all that, we're stuck in a two party system where one does nothing, and one is actively malicious, and has the Supreme Court on the verge of tearing down a ruling which has been the basis of a massive number of other extremely important rulings. Don't tell me everything is fine.
    - abduhl 4y ago
    - Shared404 4y ago
      To the sibling to this, who presumably won't see it. > So you don’t remember 9/11 Correct, I don't remember the actual event. Just observed the trauma and fear that it inflicted, as most people of voting age at the time rallied to work together and... decrease our rights and blow up brown people. And the terror, on everyone's face when they talked about it. The videos in school where we watched clips of it happen, again and again, each year. So no, I don't remember it live, but that was in response to the "you've _lived_ through" portion of the above comment, or I would've skipped it anyways. > and were being raised in a two parent household during the housing crash Ha. I'm not going into detail here on that aspect of my life, but you're laughable here. > while a “war” (actually an occupation of two countries) you were totally disconnected from went on overseas? Legally still a war, resulting in perpetuation of PATRIOT et al. > And you were going to school all through this after when school shootings actually shocked the nation? "Haha, your generation and everyone else has become desensitized to the fact that every few months some lunatic shoots up a school/nightclub/party/$EVENT" ... yes, that's literally the point. > And you still didn’t learn that it’s spelled Capitol? That one's on me. Guess I shouldn't HN late at night after work/school. > And you think that we’re closer to nuclear war now than we were in the 00s and 90s (sorry, that’s unfair: you don’t even remember the 90s)? Based on my analysis of everyone's reactions around me? Yes. Based on the fact that there's a cancer-ridden egomaniac in charge of one of the worlds largest nuclear arsenals, and he seems determined to win at all costs? Yes. If I'm wrong I'd love to be corrected, but the only evidence you've provided are ad hominem attacks. > All while living in an era of expanded “human rights” from the very political establishments that you apparently now think are going to destroy society? /me facepalms That's the point. That's the freaking point. People made progress, and now there are people in positions of power actively trying to undo said progress. I have listened to some of these talking heads call me a demon, ask "when do we start using the guns?", say I deserve to die. And yet they keep getting more powerful. > Sorry, but your generation has never known adversity until 2020 and you grew up in one of the most peaceful times in human history. You’re part of the touchscreen generation. You’re a Zoomer. Even your generation’s name is soft. Ad hominem, [citation required], ad hominem, ad hominem. > The “once in a lifetime” events you hear about are clickbait. Tell me, was 9/11 not once in a lifetime? (again, remember that this was in response to events that people my age and older have lived through). Has Covid not been "reasonably" described as "once in a lifetime"? I know a lot of people described the 2008 recession as "once in a lifetime"? Was the mob on Jan 6 not "Once in a lifetime"? Would the Ukraine war not have qualified as "once in a lifetime" two decades ago? People have finally stopped using the term except as a "lol, yet another 'once in a lifetime' experience". The point is as much when my generation is coming of age as when we're raised. Half of us see no possible way to improve our standard of living - self improvement is hard when you need two or three full time jobs to survive.
- misslibby 4y ago
  Except you haven't really lived through anything serious at all, compared to previous generations. I find that kind of notion rather embarrassing.
Hextinium 4y ago
(I mentor highschool students) I have seen it a lot more of "why even try because our quality of life is going into the toilet" and less of "we are all going to die"

dejawu 4y ago

I ask this genuinely and non-rhetorically: are they wrong? Everything seems to say that we are running out of time to avert climate disaster, and they're the ones who will have to live with the consequences if we fail.

core-utility 4y ago
How many times can we be running out of time before it's reasonable to be doubtful of the message? I think there have been at least 4 "end of the world" scenarios in my rather short lifetime and there's always a new proposed date after each one is proven false.
- sodality2 4y ago
  "Out of time to avert climate disaster" means beyond the point of no return where no reasonable act can reverse it. It does not mean we are suffering from extreme consequences currently..
  - core-utility 4y ago
    I still stand by my point.
    - sodality2 4y ago
      "How many times can we be running out of time before it's reasonable to be doubtful of the message? I think there have been at least 4 "end of the world" scenarios in my rather short lifetime and there's always a new proposed date after each one is proven false." It can be compared to, "How many times can we change the solar system model before it's reasonable to be doubtful of the message? I think there have been at least 4 changes in what we believe to be the center of our universe in my rather short lifetime and there's always a new proposed center after each one is proven false." It is a science. It is scientifically proven that the damage we have done to our climate is going to eventually cause very bad consequences. The only question is when, which is very difficult to pin down with constantly changing conditions. It's like trying to identify when the next tornado will hit. You don't know precisely when, you might have some false positives, but you know it will happen. You don't get to say, "Well this is the fifth time the meteorologist has told me to evacuate, I have reason to believe this is politically motivated".

avs733 4y ago

Can you clarify this for me?

misslibby 4y ago
What exactly do you mean? Kids think they will die because of climate change, because that is what they are constantly being told, by the media and the school system, among other things.

diordiderot 4y ago

Yes, big (checks notes) renewable energy, using their (checks notes) global economic dominance over energy companies to manufacture consent to (checks notes) reduce pollution, prevent ecosystem collapse for (checks notes) communism

xtian 4y ago
How puzzling that the notes you need to keep checking don't include the explicit agenda of depopulation and halting economic development that is coming out of Davos.
- diordiderot 4y ago
  You think anyone at Davos has any control!? you're sadly mistaken. The malthusian aims of that cult is just a distraction from the real goal of hyperpopulation. Why else do you think they made the metaverse. First step into our matrix pods. They plan to use our bodies as bio reactors and foodstuffs.
  - xtian 4y ago
    MSNBC hasn’t told me anything about that. That’s the neutral projection of reality I trust.
- drekk 4y ago
  Overpopulation is mostly just a way to hand-wring about developing countries that aren't responsible for most historic emissions and have much lower per-capita emissions. It often overlaps with racist neocolonialism (see: Bill Gates directing global health policy and being really concerned about black birth rates) As for economic development I think the past few years have shown us very well (though whether or not people want to hear the message will remain to be seen) is that optimizing for economic growth and development (namely GDP) means you're not optimizing for things like redundancy and resilience and stability. Growth for growth's sake is the ideology of a cancer cell; it doesn't have to be ours. How many more "once in a lifetime" economic crisis do we get before we take that to heart?
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juve1996 4y ago

Is there any substantiation to this claim?

misslibby 4y ago
You mean about the relentless propaganda, or the kids living in fear? Not sure how you could not notice it so far? I have also seen articles citing a significant number of kids being psychologically impacted by it. Not sure how active for example "Fridays For Future" is in your country? Relentless propaganda: if you have kids in school, odds are any event they plan will be littered with climate change stuff, for example. My kids school decided cakes for the next event will have to be vegan because it is better for the climate, for example. Science projects will be about climate something. And that is just school, media is on a whole other level. The only thing more popular atm is the transgender craze.