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I also want to see a Cloudflare post-mortem here. All of my domains are with them. The worse part of OP's story is that they even prevented him from moving the

I also want to see a Cloudflare post-mortem here. All of my domains are with them. The worse part of OP's story is that they even prevented him from moving the domains to another registar. So if this happens to any of us we're completely locked out of our email.

jwineinger 4y ago
> prevented him from moving the domains to another registar That sounds like theft to me
- Nextgrid 4y ago
  Theft/fraud/etc only applies to individuals. When big companies do it it's business as usual.
cfsucks 4y ago
Which violates their registrar agreements: > Registered Name Holders must be able to transfer their domain name registrations between Registrars (Note that sections 3.7-3.9 do allow registrars to deny transfers, f.e. given "evidence of fraud", but given that they reinstated the domains I doubt they have evidence of fraud.) https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/transfer-policy-2016-06-01-en https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/transfer-policy-2016-0...
- car_analogy 4y ago
  Why does a private corporation get to unilaterally decide something is fraud and seize someone's property? Is this what ownership is supposed to be like?
  - fbrchps 4y ago
    You never "own" a domain. You just rent it from a registrar, who had permission from ICANN to let you rent it. There is no "good" that you can take with you when you give a registrar money for a domain.
    - nix23 4y ago
      >There is no "good" that you can take with you when you give a registrar money for a domain. Ah, cant wait until you understand the nature of money itself ;)
    - i67vw3 4y ago
      The only way to 'solve' this problem is to be an ICANN accredited registrar by yourself as an individual on an individual basis. Edit:- Then the problem comes from registry. So, along with being a registrar, that individual will need to become a registry recognized by ICANN
      - TheEternalKim 4y ago
        Another way to solve it is by switching to a bloclchain based registry like IPFS or nameCoin.
- OJFord 4y ago
  But they ('re automated system or through mistake or whatever) thought they did have evidence of fraud right, so that's consistent?
  - OJFord 4y ago
    Perhaps I wasn't clear.. I mean that they sent some vague email saying it they'd detected fraud, and took other 'we've found fraud' actions (it was a false positive yes, but beside my point) - so it would be weird if they then acted like they couldn't take registrar actions that they could only take if the reason was fraud. The behaviour was wrong and concerning yes, but it seems internally consistent, all along the 'fraud' path.
slenk 4y ago
You can't transfer domains more than once every 60 days...so if he transferred within the last 60 no place would let him transfer out
mr_toad 4y ago
It’s not clear if he move the registration to Cloudflare, or just the name server. There’s a case for not having your registrar also host your DNS records.

jwineinger 4y ago

> prevented him from moving the domains to another registar That sounds like theft to me

Nextgrid 4y ago
Theft/fraud/etc only applies to individuals. When big companies do it it's business as usual.

cfsucks 4y ago

Which violates their registrar agreements: > Registered Name Holders must be able to transfer their domain name registrations between Registrars (Note that sections 3.7-3.9 do allow registrars to deny transfers, f.e. given "evidence of fraud", but given that they reinstated the domains I doubt they have evidence of fraud.) https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/transfer-policy-2016-06-01-en https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/transfer-policy-2016-0...

car_analogy 4y ago
Why does a private corporation get to unilaterally decide something is fraud and seize someone's property? Is this what ownership is supposed to be like?
- fbrchps 4y ago
  You never "own" a domain. You just rent it from a registrar, who had permission from ICANN to let you rent it. There is no "good" that you can take with you when you give a registrar money for a domain.
  - nix23 4y ago
    >There is no "good" that you can take with you when you give a registrar money for a domain. Ah, cant wait until you understand the nature of money itself ;)
  - i67vw3 4y ago
    The only way to 'solve' this problem is to be an ICANN accredited registrar by yourself as an individual on an individual basis. Edit:- Then the problem comes from registry. So, along with being a registrar, that individual will need to become a registry recognized by ICANN
    - TheEternalKim 4y ago
      Another way to solve it is by switching to a bloclchain based registry like IPFS or nameCoin.
OJFord 4y ago
But they ('re automated system or through mistake or whatever) thought they did have evidence of fraud right, so that's consistent?
- OJFord 4y ago
  Perhaps I wasn't clear.. I mean that they sent some vague email saying it they'd detected fraud, and took other 'we've found fraud' actions (it was a false positive yes, but beside my point) - so it would be weird if they then acted like they couldn't take registrar actions that they could only take if the reason was fraud. The behaviour was wrong and concerning yes, but it seems internally consistent, all along the 'fraud' path.

slenk 4y ago

You can't transfer domains more than once every 60 days...so if he transferred within the last 60 no place would let him transfer out

mr_toad 4y ago

It’s not clear if he move the registration to Cloudflare, or just the name server. There’s a case for not having your registrar also host your DNS records.