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One of the replies is a thread with a fairly convincing rebuttal, with examples: https://twitter.com/Thomas_Woodside/status/1531710251015081984 https://twitter

by jsnell 4y ago

One of the replies is a thread with a fairly convincing rebuttal, with examples: https://twitter.com/Thomas_Woodside/status/1531710251015081984 https://twitter.com/Thomas_Woodside/status/15317102510150819...

jimhi 4y ago
We don't know the rules or grammar of this "language". Maybe nouns change based on how they are used https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declension https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declension
lmc 4y ago
A rebuttal to the rebuttal (without examples)... How many French people speak Breton?
dwallin 4y ago
I'm not sure it's a convincing rebuttal, the examples shown all seem to have some visible commonality. Eg. "Apoploe vesrreaitais" Could refer to something along the lines of a "fan / wedge" or "wing-like" If you look at the examples of cheese, when compared to the "birds and cheese" the cheese tends to be laid out in a fan like pattern and shaped in sharp angled wedges.
- f38zf5vdt 4y ago
  I'm curious what it generates when given randomly generated strings of seemingly pronounceable words like "Fedlope Dipeioreitcus".
- joshcryer 4y ago
  Yeah, and his example about bugs in the kitchen. Everything is edible and 'wild' or 'heirloom' and "contarra ccetnxniams luryca tanniounons" comes from the farmers talking about ... vegetables. So there's a definite interrelationship between the 'words' and the images. I'm unconvinced by the rebuttal as well, not to say I am convinced we have a fully formal language going on here, but there's definitely some shared concepts with the generated text. I wonder what imagen would come up with or if it's 'language' is more correlated to real language.
  - Beltiras 4y ago
    His counterexamples also have a flaw. He's expecting that mixing two languages have a consistent result given the human language meaning. Those words might have meaning in the DALLE language that totally flips the meaning of the whole phrase. Each batch of images is internally consistent.
- sudosysgen 4y ago
  It seems to refer to "bird plant" which means birds on trees, so it would make sense there would be cheese and plants if it can't find how to fit a bird.
- ericb 4y ago
  > Apoploe vesrreaitais" Could refer to something along the lines of a "fan / wedge" "feathered" maybe?
nl 4y ago
I don't think this is sufficient. A language should have syntax and meaning. We can see these phrases (tokens?) have meaning. It is unclear what they syntax is. But DALL-E2's idea of what the syntax is for English isn't how most people understand it either (as can be seen by how many rephrasing attempts people make to get what they want). It's entirely possible (probable?) there is syntax here but we don't know it yet.

by jsnell 4y ago

jimhi 4y ago

We don't know the rules or grammar of this "language". Maybe nouns change based on how they are used https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declension https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declension

lmc 4y ago

A rebuttal to the rebuttal (without examples)... How many French people speak Breton?

dwallin 4y ago

I'm not sure it's a convincing rebuttal, the examples shown all seem to have some visible commonality. Eg. "Apoploe vesrreaitais" Could refer to something along the lines of a "fan / wedge" or "wing-like" If you look at the examples of cheese, when compared to the "birds and cheese" the cheese tends to be laid out in a fan like pattern and shaped in sharp angled wedges.

f38zf5vdt 4y ago
I'm curious what it generates when given randomly generated strings of seemingly pronounceable words like "Fedlope Dipeioreitcus".
joshcryer 4y ago
Yeah, and his example about bugs in the kitchen. Everything is edible and 'wild' or 'heirloom' and "contarra ccetnxniams luryca tanniounons" comes from the farmers talking about ... vegetables. So there's a definite interrelationship between the 'words' and the images. I'm unconvinced by the rebuttal as well, not to say I am convinced we have a fully formal language going on here, but there's definitely some shared concepts with the generated text. I wonder what imagen would come up with or if it's 'language' is more correlated to real language.
- Beltiras 4y ago
  His counterexamples also have a flaw. He's expecting that mixing two languages have a consistent result given the human language meaning. Those words might have meaning in the DALLE language that totally flips the meaning of the whole phrase. Each batch of images is internally consistent.
sudosysgen 4y ago
It seems to refer to "bird plant" which means birds on trees, so it would make sense there would be cheese and plants if it can't find how to fit a bird.
ericb 4y ago
> Apoploe vesrreaitais" Could refer to something along the lines of a "fan / wedge" "feathered" maybe?

nl 4y ago

I don't think this is sufficient. A language should have syntax and meaning. We can see these phrases (tokens?) have meaning. It is unclear what they syntax is. But DALL-E2's idea of what the syntax is for English isn't how most people understand it either (as can be seen by how many rephrasing attempts people make to get what they want). It's entirely possible (probable?) there is syntax here but we don't know it yet.