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It's a battle-tested open source Discord/Slack/etc replacement with sound 1-on-1/group chat E2EE encryption. It's like Facebook Messenger:Signal as Slack:Matrix

It's a battle-tested open source Discord/Slack/etc replacement with sound 1-on-1/group chat E2EE encryption. It's like Facebook Messenger:Signal as Slack:Matrix, and it's easy to use software even for people not familiar with dealing with the ins and outs of complicated cryptosystems. Unlike Signal it has always been completely open source.

TheNewsIsHere 4y ago
> Unlike Signal it has always been completely open source. Honest question: when was Signal closed source, as Signal? I’m not familiar with this. I know it’s roots are in the old Moxie Marlinspike OpenWhisper apps, but that’s a long time ago and the last I looked, Signal open sourced all their code.
- godelski 4y ago
  There's gripe from people because they didn't update the GitHub repos for the server code for a bit. Client side code was always up to date. There's also another complaint (imo this one is more legitimate) that Signal only allows messages to be passed through their servers. I don't think the parent is really arguing in good faith tbh.
  - tcfhgj 4y ago
    For a year
- f38zf5vdt 4y ago
  There has been a lack of transparency with their server code. Very late pushes (>1 year) when they were adding their cryptocurrency, and now some black box code to "eliminate spam" [2]. By contrast, Matrix has always had master public and allows users to run their own servers either privately or connected to the federation, something not really possible with the Signal app family. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26345937 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26345937 [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/qlw1ag/signal_is_adding_a_closedsource_spam_reduction/ https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/qlw1ag/signal_is_a...
mdmdlslau 4y ago
LMAO "battle-tested" that's one way to describe that Meteor.js pile of junk. I'll never forget that time one of my users on my small Rocket Chat server two or three years ago changed their username and it not only immediately crashed the server but also corrupted the database because the change had to check every message ever sent for that user in the database because they didn't put an index on an immutable ID. I had to write a program to manually remediate the data in order to get our chat back online. Don't get me started on the mobile app. I have so many stories of pain from Rocket Chat that it isn't funny. I then spent several months writing a bespoke application to extract my community from RocketChat and move it to a different product because it was so terrible. Now, I stopped using it in 2019 but had used it for the prior four years every single day and it only got worse with every release. I used to joke to my friends "what new bugs will this release have?" until the mobile app rewrite became so unbearable that it almost killed my community entirely. Is it better now? Well, I bet it has more half baked features, like Matrix integration I guess. Rocket Chat always looked great on paper... Just don't try to use it too much, or look at the code.
- f38zf5vdt 4y ago
  I was referring to Matrix suite, not Rocket.Chat. I've never used Rocket.Chat so I can't comment on that. :)

TheNewsIsHere 4y ago

> Unlike Signal it has always been completely open source. Honest question: when was Signal closed source, as Signal? I’m not familiar with this. I know it’s roots are in the old Moxie Marlinspike OpenWhisper apps, but that’s a long time ago and the last I looked, Signal open sourced all their code.

godelski 4y ago
There's gripe from people because they didn't update the GitHub repos for the server code for a bit. Client side code was always up to date. There's also another complaint (imo this one is more legitimate) that Signal only allows messages to be passed through their servers. I don't think the parent is really arguing in good faith tbh.
- tcfhgj 4y ago
  For a year
f38zf5vdt 4y ago
There has been a lack of transparency with their server code. Very late pushes (>1 year) when they were adding their cryptocurrency, and now some black box code to "eliminate spam" [2]. By contrast, Matrix has always had master public and allows users to run their own servers either privately or connected to the federation, something not really possible with the Signal app family. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26345937 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26345937 [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/qlw1ag/signal_is_adding_a_closedsource_spam_reduction/ https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/qlw1ag/signal_is_a...

mdmdlslau 4y ago

LMAO "battle-tested" that's one way to describe that Meteor.js pile of junk. I'll never forget that time one of my users on my small Rocket Chat server two or three years ago changed their username and it not only immediately crashed the server but also corrupted the database because the change had to check every message ever sent for that user in the database because they didn't put an index on an immutable ID. I had to write a program to manually remediate the data in order to get our chat back online. Don't get me started on the mobile app. I have so many stories of pain from Rocket Chat that it isn't funny. I then spent several months writing a bespoke application to extract my community from RocketChat and move it to a different product because it was so terrible. Now, I stopped using it in 2019 but had used it for the prior four years every single day and it only got worse with every release. I used to joke to my friends "what new bugs will this release have?" until the mobile app rewrite became so unbearable that it almost killed my community entirely. Is it better now? Well, I bet it has more half baked features, like Matrix integration I guess. Rocket Chat always looked great on paper... Just don't try to use it too much, or look at the code.

f38zf5vdt 4y ago
I was referring to Matrix suite, not Rocket.Chat. I've never used Rocket.Chat so I can't comment on that. :)