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> The reason why your new area doesn't have any people with drug, mental health and poverty issue is because you don't pay enough taxes for the social programs
by User23 4y ago
> The reason why your new area doesn't have any people with drug, mental health and poverty issue is because you don't pay enough taxes for the social programs that allow these people to survive in San Francisco.
It’s a well known fact that ceteris paribus the more you spend on something the more you get of it. I honestly can’t understand why people in those cities want more open air drug markets, feces, and crime, among other things, but there’s no arguing with revealed preference. They observably want those things and vote to get more of them.
From my point of view it’s simple enabling behavior, like with an alcoholic. It’s not like these problems are ordained by nature. People in cities are the ones enabling human misery.
- citilife 4y ago> People in cities are the ones enabling human misery. IMO SF encourages it.
- vkou 4y ago> People in cities are the ones enabling human misery. And people in locales that solve these problems by kicking out their problem citizens are the ones creating this human misery, but we never seem to be able to hold them to account for it, or to demand that they pull their own weight.
- User23 4y agoThat’s really interesting. Can you document a single locale that is “kicking out their problem citizens?” That was the plot of Rambo and that was a great movie, but I’ve never heard of such a thing in this century. I welcome being educated so please do tell if you can point to some examples that aren’t old enough to legally drink.
- wumpus 4y agoThe classical example is classical Athens and the practice of ostracism, which was only used against the rich. The current version is giving undesirable people one-way bus tickets to SF or LA.
- User23 4y agoPlease link me the free bus tickets to SF/LA from flyover country. I’ve done my googles and can’t find the program where I get my ticket. I don’t believe it exists without evidence.
- wumpus 4y agoWhat you're looking for are newspaper articles about this practice, which is illegal but continues to be discovered in action.
- User23 4y agoI’d be happy with a photo. Got one?
- wumpus 4y agoLet me help you with Google. Try homeless bus ticket to sf illegal You'll find that quite a few cities are mentioned: into LA, out of Seattle, etc. Not sure what you wanted a photo of?
- User23 4y agoAny actual evidence of such a program where rural areas are shipping out vagrants. I’m not talking about lateral moves from one major city to another as should be clear from the comment history. Perhaps a local newspaper ad offering free bus tickets?
- vkou 4y ago> Can you document a single locale that is “kicking out their problem citizens?” Would Bellevue, Kirkland, and Redmond dumping their homeless people into Seattle, as they NIMBY shelter/housing satisfy you? There's fewer than 500 sheltered/unsheltered homeless people in those three cities, compared to ~11,000 in the rest of King county - yet they make up ~1/6th of the county's population. Or, on a smaller scale, nice parts of town calling the cops to sweep the homeless into less nice parts of town? For some reason, I can't say I've seen a lot of tent cities in Magnolia... [1] https://mynorthwest.com/3335926/fight-over-homeless-hotel-shelters-kirkland/ https://mynorthwest.com/3335926/fight-over-homeless-hotel-sh... [2] https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/eastside/battle-brews-in-bellevue-over-sheltering-the-homeless/ https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/eastside/battle-br...
- User23 4y ago> Would Bellevue, Kirkland, and Redmond dumping their homeless people into Seattle, as they NIMBY shelter/housing satisfy you? That doesn’t sound like kicking out. That sounds like Seattle for reasons that I don’t understand inviting vagabonds from elsewhere in King County. More to the point, I wasn’t referring to your local county politics, I was asking for specific evidence of rural communities shipping vagrants to far away cities as the person I was replying to implied is happening.
- vkou 4y agoFor reasons you don't understand? You don't understand that people need a few basic needs to live, and the suburbs aren't pulling their weight in providing them? You don't understand that the suburbs keep harassing and arresting people for being homeless, and taking their things, until they fuck off to the city? If we did that to you, until you left whichever town you live in, would you consider yourself getting kicked out of it? You don't understand that if Seattle did the same thing, all of those suburbs would suddenly discover that they had to pull their own weight, and not just sweep their problem to the other side of lake Washington? You're splitting hairs over semantics of what 'kicking out' means. The bottom line is that rural America gives it's problem people a choice between jail, harassment, death, or taking themselves and all their problems to urban America. It then complains about how urban America is a cesspit that 'invites vagabonds'.