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> This is not a monopoly position [...] there are other malls. There are two malls, both of which enforce the same rule. Within a single platform, there is one
by pie_flavor 4y ago
> This is not a monopoly position [...] there are other malls.
There are two malls, both of which enforce the same rule. Within a single platform, there is one mall. That is what makes it a monopoly position. Everything else in your post has nothing to do with whether it is actually a monopoly position.
- Spivak 4y agoYou can make anything sound like a monopoly if you define the market small enough. Inside a mall there's only one mall too. Android and iOS are not the only places where digital goods are sold and consumed. They're not the only mobile video game platforms -- there's also the switch, steam decks, and laptops, and they're certainly not the only video game platforms. They're not the only place to buy and read digital books, Kindle and their competitors are fine. They're not the only place to buy software -- macOS, Windows, Linux, Chromebooks exist. They're not the only place to buy and listen to consume media content -- Apple TV, Chromecast, Roku, Plex, Blu-Ray, Bandcamp, iTunes, Soundcloud, and a billion Spotify Connect devices are all out there. The fact that lots of people shop there and don't shop other places is an argument that their real-estate is valuable, not that they have a monopoly.
- CJefferson 4y ago"Define the market small enough"? A quick Google suggests the market for mobile phones is a trillion dollars a year, which is mostly run by two OSes.
- scarface74 4y agoFortunately, this has been litigated in a real court of law in the Epic vs. Apple case and the judge specifically said that Apple is not a monopoly.
- ThatPlayer 4y agoThe judge said Epic failed to prove Apple had a monopoly, not that they do not have a monopoly.
- scarface74 4y agoIf Epic couldn’t prove it in a court of law with high priced lawyers, discovery, etc. in front of a judge, maybe random HN posters are wrong?
- ThatPlayer 4y agoJudges can also be wrong. That's what appeal courts are for. That case in front of that judge is not the be-all-end-all of what is correct. Do you think OJ Simpson didn't do it because he was found not guilty? There's a reason criminal verdict are phrased as 'not guilty', not 'innocent'.
- scarface74 4y agoSo now the judges are wrong and not random people on HN?
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- ThatPlayer 4y agoIt is a possibility. Should I accept a judge's decision because it's a judge's decision? Or should I use my own critical thinking about a topic to decide? And in this case the judge's decision was that Epic didn't prove it was a monopoly, not that it wasn't. So therefore "it is a monopoly" doesn't contradict that, and both can be correct. So neither are wrong.
- scarface74 4y agoWhen it comes to a law, yes you should accept a judges decision where a case was unsuccessful argued by high priced experts in the law.
- vel0city 4y ago> They're not the only place to buy and listen to consume media content -- Apple TV, Chromecast, Roku, Plex, Blu-Ray, Bandcamp, iTunes, Soundcloud, and a billion Spotify Connect devices are all out there. Yeah, let me try and consume ebooks on the go with my Roku or Chromecast. Definitely feels like the same market as Android/iOS...
- scarface74 4y agoIf only Amazon sold a dedicated ebook reader…