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I own a model S but I think the F-150 is truly the next competitor. Other cars were either niche (Taycan) or not that great (i3, leaf). The bolt really was the

I own a model S but I think the F-150 is truly the next competitor. Other cars were either niche (Taycan) or not that great (i3, leaf). The bolt really was the second best option. Lucid is great too but they're not to scale yet. Once the lightnings are easy to acquire at a dealership, I think Tesla will have its work cut out for it. The F150 is the best selling car/anything in the US.

azinman2 4y ago
The VW ID.4 is very real competition.
- xeromal 4y ago
  Yeah, I've heard good things about it but haven't been able to see one in Los Angeles yet. Polestar has a nice car too. I've been wanting to drive one.
- yuppie_scum 4y ago
  A company so run by accountants that they needed to have “left, right and front/rear-toggle” power window button instead of a power window button for all four windows. No thanks
alphabettsy 4y ago
The Ford Mach-E seems to be well received.
- xeromal 4y ago
  Yeah, it's a solid car. I wasn't a fan of its suspension, but a lot of people don't seem to care!
pmcollins 4y ago
i’m done with dealerships. i wish ford and gm had created clean-sheet, direct-to-consumer sub brands for their electric products. and didn’t gm do something pretty radical when they rolled out saturn in the 80s (separate dealers with non commissioned staff)? they could have at least done that. instead we get markup and sleaze.
- xeromal 4y ago
  Yeah, that must be a huge boon to tesla orders. Go on a website, click some buttons, wait, and your car is delivered. People underestimate a low-bs process. I hate having to wheel and deal. I usually go through craigslist or some other marketplace since I buy used and it's so much better than having to worry about coatings, etchings, addons, and warranties.
- enragedcacti 4y ago
  The flip side is that you have a choice of business to work with for the rest of the life of the vehicle. There are huge problems with the availability and quality of service for Tesla right now. If a dealer does bad work or tries to scam you, you can find another one. If Tesla denies your warranty claim you're out to dry.
- MDWolinski 4y ago
  Agree with you 101% on the dealer buying experience. Even just doing some shopping/research these days has left a sour taste in my mouth for buying another vehicle that way. That being said, Ford has announced they're splitting their company into two: One for ICE vehicles, one for all electric. They're not saying much about who'll be handling the selling/distribution of the electric vehicles in the future. And dealer associations are rattling their legal sabers looking for answers. Also, VW and their announced release of an all new Scout, under it's own brand, has also made little comment if current VW dealerships will carry it or what... So there seems to be a move by Ford and VW to try (with new brands) the direct sales route with delivery/service centers similar to Tesla. However, that may be a long time coming with all the potential legal battles, etc. I, however, also wonder if this move by VW/Ford is just to get the dealer associations to spend more lobby money and get direct-to-consumer car sales illegal in many more states, which seems the likely move by Dealers. This, then, would be a feign by the Manufacturers to hurt on particularly strong brand in the EV space.
- RickJWagner 4y ago
  Dealerships are headed for trouble. EVs won't have oil changes, regular brake work, oil leaks, etc. There will be occasional air-conditioner repairs or window problems, but the bread-and-butter service revenue from ICE vehicles will be gone. Dealerships might not be profitable enough to stay.
r00fus 4y ago
The base-model F150, if Ford can actually meet demand in any reasonable way, would create a real value-offering that threatens Tesla. The additional levels of trim on the F150 are decent (esp. extended range) but the base model is amazing value for the price. Hopefully this puts pressure on Tesla to stop touting the high end BS (like dodgy autopilot) and focus on adequate value for their base models.
- xeromal 4y ago
  It will definitely put price pressure on Tesla. Or so I hope.

azinman2 4y ago

The VW ID.4 is very real competition.

xeromal 4y ago
Yeah, I've heard good things about it but haven't been able to see one in Los Angeles yet. Polestar has a nice car too. I've been wanting to drive one.
yuppie_scum 4y ago
A company so run by accountants that they needed to have “left, right and front/rear-toggle” power window button instead of a power window button for all four windows. No thanks

alphabettsy 4y ago

The Ford Mach-E seems to be well received.

xeromal 4y ago
Yeah, it's a solid car. I wasn't a fan of its suspension, but a lot of people don't seem to care!

pmcollins 4y ago

i’m done with dealerships. i wish ford and gm had created clean-sheet, direct-to-consumer sub brands for their electric products. and didn’t gm do something pretty radical when they rolled out saturn in the 80s (separate dealers with non commissioned staff)? they could have at least done that. instead we get markup and sleaze.

xeromal 4y ago
Yeah, that must be a huge boon to tesla orders. Go on a website, click some buttons, wait, and your car is delivered. People underestimate a low-bs process. I hate having to wheel and deal. I usually go through craigslist or some other marketplace since I buy used and it's so much better than having to worry about coatings, etchings, addons, and warranties.
enragedcacti 4y ago
The flip side is that you have a choice of business to work with for the rest of the life of the vehicle. There are huge problems with the availability and quality of service for Tesla right now. If a dealer does bad work or tries to scam you, you can find another one. If Tesla denies your warranty claim you're out to dry.
MDWolinski 4y ago
Agree with you 101% on the dealer buying experience. Even just doing some shopping/research these days has left a sour taste in my mouth for buying another vehicle that way. That being said, Ford has announced they're splitting their company into two: One for ICE vehicles, one for all electric. They're not saying much about who'll be handling the selling/distribution of the electric vehicles in the future. And dealer associations are rattling their legal sabers looking for answers. Also, VW and their announced release of an all new Scout, under it's own brand, has also made little comment if current VW dealerships will carry it or what... So there seems to be a move by Ford and VW to try (with new brands) the direct sales route with delivery/service centers similar to Tesla. However, that may be a long time coming with all the potential legal battles, etc. I, however, also wonder if this move by VW/Ford is just to get the dealer associations to spend more lobby money and get direct-to-consumer car sales illegal in many more states, which seems the likely move by Dealers. This, then, would be a feign by the Manufacturers to hurt on particularly strong brand in the EV space.
RickJWagner 4y ago
Dealerships are headed for trouble. EVs won't have oil changes, regular brake work, oil leaks, etc. There will be occasional air-conditioner repairs or window problems, but the bread-and-butter service revenue from ICE vehicles will be gone. Dealerships might not be profitable enough to stay.

r00fus 4y ago

The base-model F150, if Ford can actually meet demand in any reasonable way, would create a real value-offering that threatens Tesla. The additional levels of trim on the F150 are decent (esp. extended range) but the base model is amazing value for the price. Hopefully this puts pressure on Tesla to stop touting the high end BS (like dodgy autopilot) and focus on adequate value for their base models.

xeromal 4y ago
It will definitely put price pressure on Tesla. Or so I hope.