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> It doesn't really seem that weird, Mosul is in Iraqi Kurdistan Mosul is most definitely not inside Iraqi Kurdistan, which actually serves the point that this

> It doesn't really seem that weird, Mosul is in Iraqi Kurdistan Mosul is most definitely not inside Iraqi Kurdistan, which actually serves the point that this is article pointlessly political. I'd like to see the day that a University publication refers to Spanish researcher constantly and explicitly as Basque.

staplers 4y ago
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- throwaway894345 4y ago
  This is silly. There aren't any radical right-wing comments in this thread, and such comments are routinely (and IMO rightly) downvoted into oblivion. Calling out suspicious ethnic subtext is still very much the purview of liberals and progressives--if it feels "radical right wing" to you, I suspect (and hope!) the explanation is that your bubble is far to the left of the broader population.
  - widjit 4y ago
    Suspicious ethnic subtext? Can you say more about why you think this article has suspicious ethnic subtext?
    - throwaway894345 4y ago
      I don't think it has suspicious ethnic subtext, but the OP clearly did and left an explanation as to why (although it seems to have been flagged now).
ch4s3 4y ago
I guess I should have been more specific and a bit less sloppy. Mosul is directly adjacent to Iraqi Kurdistan in the disputed region and the majority of the population is Kurdish. However Kemune, the site, and Duhok where the team is based are in the undisputed part of Kurdistan. It seems like an odd nit to pick, I imagine the researcher just requested to be identified as Kurdish, he is after all the head of the Kurdistan Archaeology Organization. It isn't that odd, I've seen publications refer to a researcher as Catalonian or Scottish in the past, I'm not sure about Basque with respect to science but it pops up in the arts.
bergenty 4y ago
So this was the impetus for your original comment. You just wanted to point out that Mosul didn’t belong to the Kurds. What a waste of time and energy and it’s very transparent and counter productive.
- someotherperson 4y ago
  Nothing belongs to “the Kurds” — this isn’t the 13th century, we don’t assign land to ethnic groups? I feel like I’m in the twilight zone. Would anybody in the right mind say that Ohio belongs to the Whites? Or Chicago belongs to the Blacks? Yet somehow you’ve managed to completely misread my post, ignored the fact that the first mention of Mosul was in a reply, and then made a reference to a region “belonging” to an ethnic group. It’s probably why hopelessly racist, hyper political publications like this one get a pass. Outside the Middle East: “we’re all one!! Undivided!” Inside the Middle East: “if you’re not divided on racial, religious and ethnic groups then you’re unhappy!”
widjit 4y ago
The article definitely goes out of its way to point out that the researchers were Kurds, which if you know anything about the region makes complete sense: Catalan researchers would insist on being identified as Catalan researchers and not Spanish. Scottish researchers might reasonably insist on not being identified as English. This identification was almost certainly requested by the Kurish researchers themselves. The only thing odd here is your taking umbrage at someone else's need for visible political identity, which makes you seem reactionary or at best naive.

staplers 4y ago

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throwaway894345 4y ago
This is silly. There aren't any radical right-wing comments in this thread, and such comments are routinely (and IMO rightly) downvoted into oblivion. Calling out suspicious ethnic subtext is still very much the purview of liberals and progressives--if it feels "radical right wing" to you, I suspect (and hope!) the explanation is that your bubble is far to the left of the broader population.
- widjit 4y ago
  Suspicious ethnic subtext? Can you say more about why you think this article has suspicious ethnic subtext?
  - throwaway894345 4y ago
    I don't think it has suspicious ethnic subtext, but the OP clearly did and left an explanation as to why (although it seems to have been flagged now).

ch4s3 4y ago

I guess I should have been more specific and a bit less sloppy. Mosul is directly adjacent to Iraqi Kurdistan in the disputed region and the majority of the population is Kurdish. However Kemune, the site, and Duhok where the team is based are in the undisputed part of Kurdistan. It seems like an odd nit to pick, I imagine the researcher just requested to be identified as Kurdish, he is after all the head of the Kurdistan Archaeology Organization. It isn't that odd, I've seen publications refer to a researcher as Catalonian or Scottish in the past, I'm not sure about Basque with respect to science but it pops up in the arts.

bergenty 4y ago

So this was the impetus for your original comment. You just wanted to point out that Mosul didn’t belong to the Kurds. What a waste of time and energy and it’s very transparent and counter productive.

someotherperson 4y ago
Nothing belongs to “the Kurds” — this isn’t the 13th century, we don’t assign land to ethnic groups? I feel like I’m in the twilight zone. Would anybody in the right mind say that Ohio belongs to the Whites? Or Chicago belongs to the Blacks? Yet somehow you’ve managed to completely misread my post, ignored the fact that the first mention of Mosul was in a reply, and then made a reference to a region “belonging” to an ethnic group. It’s probably why hopelessly racist, hyper political publications like this one get a pass. Outside the Middle East: “we’re all one!! Undivided!” Inside the Middle East: “if you’re not divided on racial, religious and ethnic groups then you’re unhappy!”

widjit 4y ago

The article definitely goes out of its way to point out that the researchers were Kurds, which if you know anything about the region makes complete sense: Catalan researchers would insist on being identified as Catalan researchers and not Spanish. Scottish researchers might reasonably insist on not being identified as English. This identification was almost certainly requested by the Kurish researchers themselves. The only thing odd here is your taking umbrage at someone else's need for visible political identity, which makes you seem reactionary or at best naive.