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Blackouts are not climate driven. We are retiring unfavorable sources of energy like coal and nuclear faster than we are bringing new sources of green energy on

Blackouts are not climate driven. We are retiring unfavorable sources of energy like coal and nuclear faster than we are bringing new sources of green energy online. It's fucking stupid. edit: According to the WSJ, the coming blackouts this summer are due to Green Climate Policies, not climate change: https://www.wsj.com/articles/americas-summer-of-rolling-blackouts-green-energy-grid-north-american-electric-reliability-corporation-11653683348?cx_testId=3&cx_testVariant=cx_2&cx_artPos=1&mod=WTRN#cxrecs_s https://www.wsj.com/articles/americas-summer-of-rolling-blac... This is a self inflicted wound due to bad policy.

dewey 4y ago
> Blackouts are not climate driven. That's a bit of an absolute statement. Blackouts can happen for a lot of reasons, some of them are related to climate and climate change. Bigger weather events like floods and windows can take out power lines or dams easily.
- symesc 4y ago
  I believe the original statement is correct. Blackouts are not climate driven. Blackouts can be weather driven.
  - dewey 4y ago
    I don't think it makes sense to see them as disconnected. Example: "Climate change leads to more extreme weather" - World Meteorological Organization Source: https://public.wmo.int/en/media/press-release/weather-related-disasters-increase-over-past-50-years-causing-more-damage-fewer https://public.wmo.int/en/media/press-release/weather-relate...
    - gsibble 4y ago
      Sigh. As with many things, we don't really know what is and isn't caused by "climate change." Why for instance does CA now have so many fires but TX has fewer? Could it be climate change? Sure. Could it be the major differences CA enacted around forest management that TX didn't? Sure. But all you ever hear about is climate change. It's hysteria and it covers up other real issues.
      - dewey 4y ago
        There's many studies that show that the number of extreme weather events went up significantly in the past decades around the globe. This is way more global and longer running that some policy in some US state. Example: https://e360.yale.edu/digest/extreme-weather-events-have-increased-significantly-in-the-last-20-years https://e360.yale.edu/digest/extreme-weather-events-have-inc...
        gsibble 4y ago
        And the sun also greatly increased its activity over the last 100 years. Anthropomorphic climate change is still debatable. https://www.space.com/2942-sun-activity-increased-century-study-confirms.html https://www.space.com/2942-sun-activity-increased-century-st...
        dewey 4y ago
        From the article you linked: "During the last few decades, the solar activity is not increasing. It has stabilized at a high level, but the Earth's climate still shows a tendency toward increasing temperatures," Usoskin explained. He suspects even if there were a link between the Sun's activity and global climate, other factors must have dominated during the last few decades, including the increase of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.
- gsibble 4y ago
  The article also made an absolute statement calling the blackouts "climate driven". That's inaccurate.
unregistereddev 4y ago
Ehhh, some blackouts are demand driven, and climate change is increasing our HVAC demand. You certainly have a point, but I think climate is still a factor.
- gsibble 4y ago
  According to an actual source, the WSJ, the coming rolling blackouts this summer are due to green energy policies: https://www.wsj.com/articles/americas-summer-of-rolling-blackouts-green-energy-grid-north-american-electric-reliability-corporation-11653683348?cx_testId=3&cx_testVariant=cx_2&cx_artPos=1&mod=WTRN#cxrecs_s https://www.wsj.com/articles/americas-summer-of-rolling-blac...

dewey 4y ago

> Blackouts are not climate driven. That's a bit of an absolute statement. Blackouts can happen for a lot of reasons, some of them are related to climate and climate change. Bigger weather events like floods and windows can take out power lines or dams easily.

symesc 4y ago
I believe the original statement is correct. Blackouts are not climate driven. Blackouts can be weather driven.
- dewey 4y ago
  I don't think it makes sense to see them as disconnected. Example: "Climate change leads to more extreme weather" - World Meteorological Organization Source: https://public.wmo.int/en/media/press-release/weather-related-disasters-increase-over-past-50-years-causing-more-damage-fewer https://public.wmo.int/en/media/press-release/weather-relate...
  - gsibble 4y ago
    Sigh. As with many things, we don't really know what is and isn't caused by "climate change." Why for instance does CA now have so many fires but TX has fewer? Could it be climate change? Sure. Could it be the major differences CA enacted around forest management that TX didn't? Sure. But all you ever hear about is climate change. It's hysteria and it covers up other real issues.
    - dewey 4y ago
      There's many studies that show that the number of extreme weather events went up significantly in the past decades around the globe. This is way more global and longer running that some policy in some US state. Example: https://e360.yale.edu/digest/extreme-weather-events-have-increased-significantly-in-the-last-20-years https://e360.yale.edu/digest/extreme-weather-events-have-inc...
      - gsibble 4y ago
        And the sun also greatly increased its activity over the last 100 years. Anthropomorphic climate change is still debatable. https://www.space.com/2942-sun-activity-increased-century-study-confirms.html https://www.space.com/2942-sun-activity-increased-century-st...
        dewey 4y ago
        From the article you linked: "During the last few decades, the solar activity is not increasing. It has stabilized at a high level, but the Earth's climate still shows a tendency toward increasing temperatures," Usoskin explained. He suspects even if there were a link between the Sun's activity and global climate, other factors must have dominated during the last few decades, including the increase of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.
gsibble 4y ago
The article also made an absolute statement calling the blackouts "climate driven". That's inaccurate.

unregistereddev 4y ago

Ehhh, some blackouts are demand driven, and climate change is increasing our HVAC demand. You certainly have a point, but I think climate is still a factor.

gsibble 4y ago
According to an actual source, the WSJ, the coming rolling blackouts this summer are due to green energy policies: https://www.wsj.com/articles/americas-summer-of-rolling-blackouts-green-energy-grid-north-american-electric-reliability-corporation-11653683348?cx_testId=3&cx_testVariant=cx_2&cx_artPos=1&mod=WTRN#cxrecs_s https://www.wsj.com/articles/americas-summer-of-rolling-blac...