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> It is a truth universally acknowledged that all operating systems suck. This could be engraved in stone. I know the title isn't really serious, but not bein

by paol 4y ago

> It is a truth universally acknowledged that all operating systems suck. This could be engraved in stone. I know the title isn't really serious, but not being able to afford a Mac is not a good reason to use Linux. Use what you want/need/feel comfortable in, otherwise the experience will be miserable.

raesene9 4y ago
Well it has been immortalised in song https://youtu.be/YRlPTbKHIPQ https://youtu.be/YRlPTbKHIPQ
- paol 4y ago
  Well that was a blast from the past! Both the voice and the sketch seemed familiar, turns out that guy used to be part of Three Dead Trolls in a Baggie. I still have mp3s of their sketches stashed away somewhere. Edit: a classic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LLTsSnGWMI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LLTsSnGWMI
hvs 4y ago
So, your suggestion if you can't afford a Mac is to... buy a Mac?
- pc86 4y ago
  I think it was probably more that cost alone is not enough reason to choose Linux, and if you can't afford a Mac it's unlikely you actually need the Mac for any Mac-specific purpose.
- lproven 4y ago
  Used Macs are a thing. Old ones can be quite cheap. I still run a 2009 MacBook Pro (for my partner) and a 2011 Mac Mini. Both max out at 10.13 but they work 100% fine, run the latest browsers etc., and do all we need.
wazoox 4y ago
Frankly, I have a Mac too and I don't like it much. I keep it for the ability to run some pieces of proprietary software like Cubase and Garmin Express and similar tools to keep my gear updated, but OTOH I really dislike the overall software experience. If only it wasn't so painful to dual-boot linux on it, it would probably live running Linux 99% of the time (but when I need to flash some gizmo or import some proprietary music files).
- captn3m0 4y ago
  Which MacBook is this? I was dual booting Arch on my MBA2015 and it ran Linux 99% of the time. Worked fairly well.
  - wazoox 4y ago
    It's a Mac Pro 2013 (got it as a gift).
- pc86 4y ago
  I spent a non-trivial amount of time trying to get Linux to boot on my [intel] Mac and when discussing with someone who had been dual booting for a long time, almost invariably when they realized I was trying to do so on a ~2 year old macbook pro, they would just go "ah, that's why" as if that explained all the issues I was having. If I didn't already have a windows laptop for work, an M1 mac for work, an intel mac for personal use, and a dedicated gaming desktop, I might buy a system76 just to play around with various distros.
  - the_third_wave 4y ago
    Odd, I recently installed Debian on a "late 2009" 27" iMac without any problems. Everything "just works", no problems with running the latest and greatest of Linux while Apple does not support this thing any more. I did upgrade the Mac-side of the thing to Catalina but that was more as an exercise than anything else given that I hardly ever use MacOS - only to test things in Safari, really.
lproven 4y ago
[Article author here] > This could be engraved in stone. Glad you liked it. :-)
phendrenad2 4y ago
In my experience Macs are absolutely worth it. An M1 Macbook Air will be a much better experience than a more inexpensive Wintel laptop with the "same" specs. User experience translates directly into productivity.

by paol 4y ago

raesene9 4y ago

Well it has been immortalised in song https://youtu.be/YRlPTbKHIPQ https://youtu.be/YRlPTbKHIPQ

paol 4y ago
Well that was a blast from the past! Both the voice and the sketch seemed familiar, turns out that guy used to be part of Three Dead Trolls in a Baggie. I still have mp3s of their sketches stashed away somewhere. Edit: a classic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LLTsSnGWMI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LLTsSnGWMI

hvs 4y ago

So, your suggestion if you can't afford a Mac is to... buy a Mac?

pc86 4y ago
I think it was probably more that cost alone is not enough reason to choose Linux, and if you can't afford a Mac it's unlikely you actually need the Mac for any Mac-specific purpose.
lproven 4y ago
Used Macs are a thing. Old ones can be quite cheap. I still run a 2009 MacBook Pro (for my partner) and a 2011 Mac Mini. Both max out at 10.13 but they work 100% fine, run the latest browsers etc., and do all we need.

wazoox 4y ago

Frankly, I have a Mac too and I don't like it much. I keep it for the ability to run some pieces of proprietary software like Cubase and Garmin Express and similar tools to keep my gear updated, but OTOH I really dislike the overall software experience. If only it wasn't so painful to dual-boot linux on it, it would probably live running Linux 99% of the time (but when I need to flash some gizmo or import some proprietary music files).

captn3m0 4y ago
Which MacBook is this? I was dual booting Arch on my MBA2015 and it ran Linux 99% of the time. Worked fairly well.
- wazoox 4y ago
  It's a Mac Pro 2013 (got it as a gift).
pc86 4y ago
I spent a non-trivial amount of time trying to get Linux to boot on my [intel] Mac and when discussing with someone who had been dual booting for a long time, almost invariably when they realized I was trying to do so on a ~2 year old macbook pro, they would just go "ah, that's why" as if that explained all the issues I was having. If I didn't already have a windows laptop for work, an M1 mac for work, an intel mac for personal use, and a dedicated gaming desktop, I might buy a system76 just to play around with various distros.
- the_third_wave 4y ago
  Odd, I recently installed Debian on a "late 2009" 27" iMac without any problems. Everything "just works", no problems with running the latest and greatest of Linux while Apple does not support this thing any more. I did upgrade the Mac-side of the thing to Catalina but that was more as an exercise than anything else given that I hardly ever use MacOS - only to test things in Safari, really.

lproven 4y ago

[Article author here] > This could be engraved in stone. Glad you liked it. :-)

phendrenad2 4y ago

In my experience Macs are absolutely worth it. An M1 Macbook Air will be a much better experience than a more inexpensive Wintel laptop with the "same" specs. User experience translates directly into productivity.