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Ubuntu shouldn't be recommended anymore. Flatpak won. Snap is a disaster. If you ask me, Fedora is the new Ubuntu.

izoow 4y ago
As much as I dislike the direction Ubuntu has been going, the one thing still keeping me on it is the font rendering. I've tried all sorts of font configs and even Ubuntu patches to various packages but never managed to achieve the same result. Font rendering has improved in other distros in recent years, but at least to my eyes Ubuntu still somehow does it better.
- jagger27 4y ago
  Do these patches also apply to elementary OS? I find it to be the most visually pleasing distro out of the box.
  - izoow 4y ago
    Yeah, elementary OS uses Ubuntu as a base.
jitl 4y ago
Last time I ran Fedora, the update schedule killed my system a few times. I was on a ski trip and wanted to play a movie on the cabin TV, but Fedora did an update and now launching X crashes. Something something, kernel version. Very sad. Has the 6 month release cycle gotten more stable?
- jagger27 4y ago
  Wayland has been the default for several years now, so yes I'd say whatever X-related pain (I can relate) has been eased since then. I'm no Linux-on-the-desktop evangelist however, and still rely on a Mac for work use. My personal desktop runs Fedora currently, where I can afford to tinker. It's getting there.
lproven 4y ago
So disable and remove it, then. That's what I did on my Ubuntu server. Remove and purge the snap stuff. No problem. And if you wish you can install Flatpak too, but note, Flatpak is desktop-only, whereas Snap is desktop and server.
- vetinari 4y ago
  The problem with snap is, that you kick it out of the door and it will enter back through window. So removing and purging snap is not enough. You have to pin is so down, so it won't install again. Canonical makes this unnecessary difficult, which raises question, whether it is a fight worth fighting or just move on a system that respects its users more. On snap being for servers too, is it relevant at all? There are docker/podman containers, systemd containers, portable services... no need for another way to do the same.
  - lproven 4y ago
    If you say so. Maybe it's different in 22.04 but in 20.04, once removed, for me it stayed gone. I don't think it's worth changing distros over an add-on package format, no. I think that is a massive overreaction and "cutting off one's nose to spite one's face", as we say in the British Isles. I have both Snap and Flatpak installed on both Mint and Ubuntu and use whatever seems to be the most current. I mainly use them both for proprietary apps, such as Slack, Skype, Spotify, and Zoom; it's considerably quicker and easier than adding custom repos, updating them post-upgrade, making sure their signing keys are current, and so on.
    - vetinari 4y ago
      Yes, it reinstalled itself in 22.04. As you say, in 20.04 it stayed gone. I don't see it as an issue of just package formats. It is more of issue, that they want to go someplace and I may want to go someplace else, and the two places are not interchangeable. Snap has control-freaky design, making Canonical the sole controller of what goes through; kind of troll-on-a-bridge. I parse Shuttleworth's remarks of integrity of execution over time as we will force every device to version that we want, at time when we want, and only apps we want and it is something that even Apple didn't dare to do. So I will rather install flathub repo and keep the option of installing additional ones, than to give Canonical this kind of power.
wazoox 4y ago
Pop_OS is Ubuntu without snap but Flatpak instead. I love it :)
- lproven 4y ago
  So is Mint, to pick a random example.

As much as I dislike the direction Ubuntu has been going, the one thing still keeping me on it is the font rendering. I've tried all sorts of font configs and even Ubuntu patches to various packages but never managed to achieve the same result. Font rendering has improved in other distros in recent years, but at least to my eyes Ubuntu still somehow does it better.

jagger27 4y ago
Do these patches also apply to elementary OS? I find it to be the most visually pleasing distro out of the box.
- izoow 4y ago
  Yeah, elementary OS uses Ubuntu as a base.

jitl 4y ago

Last time I ran Fedora, the update schedule killed my system a few times. I was on a ski trip and wanted to play a movie on the cabin TV, but Fedora did an update and now launching X crashes. Something something, kernel version. Very sad. Has the 6 month release cycle gotten more stable?

jagger27 4y ago
Wayland has been the default for several years now, so yes I'd say whatever X-related pain (I can relate) has been eased since then. I'm no Linux-on-the-desktop evangelist however, and still rely on a Mac for work use. My personal desktop runs Fedora currently, where I can afford to tinker. It's getting there.

lproven 4y ago

So disable and remove it, then. That's what I did on my Ubuntu server. Remove and purge the snap stuff. No problem. And if you wish you can install Flatpak too, but note, Flatpak is desktop-only, whereas Snap is desktop and server.

vetinari 4y ago
The problem with snap is, that you kick it out of the door and it will enter back through window. So removing and purging snap is not enough. You have to pin is so down, so it won't install again. Canonical makes this unnecessary difficult, which raises question, whether it is a fight worth fighting or just move on a system that respects its users more. On snap being for servers too, is it relevant at all? There are docker/podman containers, systemd containers, portable services... no need for another way to do the same.
- lproven 4y ago
  If you say so. Maybe it's different in 22.04 but in 20.04, once removed, for me it stayed gone. I don't think it's worth changing distros over an add-on package format, no. I think that is a massive overreaction and "cutting off one's nose to spite one's face", as we say in the British Isles. I have both Snap and Flatpak installed on both Mint and Ubuntu and use whatever seems to be the most current. I mainly use them both for proprietary apps, such as Slack, Skype, Spotify, and Zoom; it's considerably quicker and easier than adding custom repos, updating them post-upgrade, making sure their signing keys are current, and so on.
  - vetinari 4y ago
    Yes, it reinstalled itself in 22.04. As you say, in 20.04 it stayed gone. I don't see it as an issue of just package formats. It is more of issue, that they want to go someplace and I may want to go someplace else, and the two places are not interchangeable. Snap has control-freaky design, making Canonical the sole controller of what goes through; kind of troll-on-a-bridge. I parse Shuttleworth's remarks of integrity of execution over time as we will force every device to version that we want, at time when we want, and only apps we want and it is something that even Apple didn't dare to do. So I will rather install flathub repo and keep the option of installing additional ones, than to give Canonical this kind of power.

wazoox 4y ago

Pop_OS is Ubuntu without snap but Flatpak instead. I love it :)

lproven 4y ago
So is Mint, to pick a random example.