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Based on this one comment, I think you should learn to disambiguate between facts and your subjective opinion. We all have our preferences, obviously, but to a

Based on this one comment, I think you should learn to disambiguate between facts and your subjective opinion. We all have our preferences, obviously, but to assert that MacOS UI is 'a masterclass in bad design and lackluster features' is a grandiose exaggeration stated as fact.

iLoveOncall 4y ago
I'm pretty sure the finder lacking basic features such as cut-paste or copying the path to the current folder is a fact. The finder alone would be enough to justify my statement, but it's just a small part of the numerous issues of MacOS. The dock leaving empty space on 50% of the width of your monitor is also a fact. Or having to run a weird command in the CLI to add an empty space as separator in the dock. Or having no "Apply to all displays" when changing background images on monitors. That's just 30 seconds out of the top of my head.
- lproven 4y ago
  Try to bear in mind that while there is nothing wrong with wanting what you want, others may not share your desires. I've been using Macs since 1988 and I've never wanted your point 1, 3, or 4, and my dock doesn't take 50% of the width of the screen, it takes about 5% of it because it's on the side where it belongs and where it was on NeXTstep. So none of this has ever applied to me, and TBH, I can't even imagine it applying to me.
  - iLoveOncall 4y ago
    Did you miss the part where I say that you shouldn't bother commenting if you aren't using Windows frequently? You just don't know how bad you have it, that's it. But sure, MacOS is great, go back to installing a 3rd party software to snap windows xD
    - kcartlidge 4y ago
      (I use Windows 10 and MacOS on M1 daily, Linux Mint almost as often) Linux wins for dev and loses for apps. Windows wins for apps and loses for dev. Mac is second-best at both which is why I prefer it. That said, I'd love to be running production-ready Mint on my M1 Air. Edit: I forgot to say, and it's the reason I responded to you in the first place, that I agree. It's really sad that something like Rectangle has to exist just to get decent window handling.
    - lproven 4y ago
      I did miss that bit, yes. Can you link to it? Secondly, I was a Windows early adopter and have used it since version 2.01. I do not see any relevance. 3rd, yes, I have Rectangle, which replaced Spectacle. So?
    - vetinari 4y ago
      > But sure, MacOS is great, go back to installing a 3rd party software to snap windows xD Pot, kettle, black? To make window management bearable in Windows, I install Powertoys (Fancy Zones). Granted, it is not third-party, it is by Microsoft, but then it is version 0.something, it shows and there's a reason why it is not shipped with the OS.
ChadNauseam 4y ago
I recently switched to macos because I wanted a new laptop and the m1 seemed best in class. Some UI issues I’ve noticed: 1) It’s very annoying that, in a full screen window, moving your mouse to the top of the screen causes the window to rescale. When reading a book in chrome, realizing the window causes the text to reflow to every time I accidentally move the mouse too far up (when trying to rearrange tabs, for example) all my text jumps around 2) when unzipping a file on the desktop by double clicking it, the unzipped folder appears right behind the zip file and I have to precisely drag it elsewhere. This happens even when i have snap to grid turned on (the new folder ignores the grid) 3) When an app is hanging, I want to click the apple icon in the menu bar to open the force-quit tool. But the menu bar hangs when the focused app does! So I have to switch to a different app just to force-quit the hanging one. 4) If you want to see all possible resolutions of an external monitor, clicking the “Scaled” checkbox in the display settings window won’t do it. Instead you have to option-click the checkbox. How’s that for discoverable? 5) Whyyyy do my virtual desktops rearrange themselves randomly??? 6) Dragging a .app from ~/Applications to the trash can doesn’t remove any folders the app has created in ~/Libraries 7) Finder is just terrible compared to windows explorer. Oh how i miss having an editable path bar to make it easy to copy/paste a path! By default you can’t even see the current path and basic functionally like “go up” is missing 8) The default terminal sucks. The windows one does too but at least windows has the microsoft terminal in the windows store. 9) Try dragging an app from launchpad into an app folder. it’s impossible. 10) Yesterday I tried to do an os update. A pop-up appeared saying “you don’t have enough disk space to install the update”. I clicked “ok” and then my computer restarted and installed the update anyway. ????
- iLoveOncall 4y ago
  > 5) Whyyyy do my virtual desktops rearrange themselves randomly??? For this, believe it or not, it's actually a FEATURE. If this again doesn't prove my point I don't know what does. The good news is that you can disable it: https://www.appsntips.com/learn/how-to-stop-mac-spaces-from-rearranging-themselves-on-macos/ https://www.appsntips.com/learn/how-to-stop-mac-spaces-from-...
- MrScruff 4y ago
  For 7), you can view the 'Path Bar'. It's not text but you can right click, copy path from any location or drag the proxies into a shell to get the path. You can also command-click the directory name in the window at the top to see the path/access parent directories.
dmitriid 4y ago
MacOS has suffered (and continues suffering) from severe neglect at Apple. That's why the current situation (especially with GUI) is ... weird, to say the least. 10 years ago it was the most polished and consistent UI experience among all the major OSes. Today it's a mess (though IMO still better than the alternatives).

iLoveOncall 4y ago

I'm pretty sure the finder lacking basic features such as cut-paste or copying the path to the current folder is a fact. The finder alone would be enough to justify my statement, but it's just a small part of the numerous issues of MacOS. The dock leaving empty space on 50% of the width of your monitor is also a fact. Or having to run a weird command in the CLI to add an empty space as separator in the dock. Or having no "Apply to all displays" when changing background images on monitors. That's just 30 seconds out of the top of my head.

lproven 4y ago
Try to bear in mind that while there is nothing wrong with wanting what you want, others may not share your desires. I've been using Macs since 1988 and I've never wanted your point 1, 3, or 4, and my dock doesn't take 50% of the width of the screen, it takes about 5% of it because it's on the side where it belongs and where it was on NeXTstep. So none of this has ever applied to me, and TBH, I can't even imagine it applying to me.
- iLoveOncall 4y ago
  Did you miss the part where I say that you shouldn't bother commenting if you aren't using Windows frequently? You just don't know how bad you have it, that's it. But sure, MacOS is great, go back to installing a 3rd party software to snap windows xD
  - kcartlidge 4y ago
    (I use Windows 10 and MacOS on M1 daily, Linux Mint almost as often) Linux wins for dev and loses for apps. Windows wins for apps and loses for dev. Mac is second-best at both which is why I prefer it. That said, I'd love to be running production-ready Mint on my M1 Air. Edit: I forgot to say, and it's the reason I responded to you in the first place, that I agree. It's really sad that something like Rectangle has to exist just to get decent window handling.
  - lproven 4y ago
    I did miss that bit, yes. Can you link to it? Secondly, I was a Windows early adopter and have used it since version 2.01. I do not see any relevance. 3rd, yes, I have Rectangle, which replaced Spectacle. So?
  - vetinari 4y ago
    > But sure, MacOS is great, go back to installing a 3rd party software to snap windows xD Pot, kettle, black? To make window management bearable in Windows, I install Powertoys (Fancy Zones). Granted, it is not third-party, it is by Microsoft, but then it is version 0.something, it shows and there's a reason why it is not shipped with the OS.

ChadNauseam 4y ago

I recently switched to macos because I wanted a new laptop and the m1 seemed best in class. Some UI issues I’ve noticed: 1) It’s very annoying that, in a full screen window, moving your mouse to the top of the screen causes the window to rescale. When reading a book in chrome, realizing the window causes the text to reflow to every time I accidentally move the mouse too far up (when trying to rearrange tabs, for example) all my text jumps around 2) when unzipping a file on the desktop by double clicking it, the unzipped folder appears right behind the zip file and I have to precisely drag it elsewhere. This happens even when i have snap to grid turned on (the new folder ignores the grid) 3) When an app is hanging, I want to click the apple icon in the menu bar to open the force-quit tool. But the menu bar hangs when the focused app does! So I have to switch to a different app just to force-quit the hanging one. 4) If you want to see all possible resolutions of an external monitor, clicking the “Scaled” checkbox in the display settings window won’t do it. Instead you have to option-click the checkbox. How’s that for discoverable? 5) Whyyyy do my virtual desktops rearrange themselves randomly??? 6) Dragging a .app from ~/Applications to the trash can doesn’t remove any folders the app has created in ~/Libraries 7) Finder is just terrible compared to windows explorer. Oh how i miss having an editable path bar to make it easy to copy/paste a path! By default you can’t even see the current path and basic functionally like “go up” is missing 8) The default terminal sucks. The windows one does too but at least windows has the microsoft terminal in the windows store. 9) Try dragging an app from launchpad into an app folder. it’s impossible. 10) Yesterday I tried to do an os update. A pop-up appeared saying “you don’t have enough disk space to install the update”. I clicked “ok” and then my computer restarted and installed the update anyway. ????

iLoveOncall 4y ago
> 5) Whyyyy do my virtual desktops rearrange themselves randomly??? For this, believe it or not, it's actually a FEATURE. If this again doesn't prove my point I don't know what does. The good news is that you can disable it: https://www.appsntips.com/learn/how-to-stop-mac-spaces-from-rearranging-themselves-on-macos/ https://www.appsntips.com/learn/how-to-stop-mac-spaces-from-...
MrScruff 4y ago
For 7), you can view the 'Path Bar'. It's not text but you can right click, copy path from any location or drag the proxies into a shell to get the path. You can also command-click the directory name in the window at the top to see the path/access parent directories.

dmitriid 4y ago

MacOS has suffered (and continues suffering) from severe neglect at Apple. That's why the current situation (especially with GUI) is ... weird, to say the least. 10 years ago it was the most polished and consistent UI experience among all the major OSes. Today it's a mess (though IMO still better than the alternatives).