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It's not really up to Turkey [or Türkiye] how the English language spells their country's name, is it? Any more than it's England's* business how Turkish speake

It's not really up to Turkey [or Türkiye] how the English language spells their country's name, is it? Any more than it's England's* business how Turkish speakers spell İngiltere *[other English speaking countries are available]

eesmith 4y ago
Do you say "Burma" or "Myanmar"? There are many who deliberately use the former despite the latter being the official spelling in English. Indeed, by choosing one or the other, you could be implicitly taking a position on that country's internal affairs .. even if you aren't aware of the issue. Recently there's been a lot of support to use "Kyiv" instead of "Kiev". Almost everyone now uses "Beijing" instead of "Peking", excepting a few cases. "Bombay" or "Mumbai"? "Calcutta" or "Kolkata"? (See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_renamed_places_in_India https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_renamed_places_in_Indi... .) Do you refer to the city in New Mexico as "Hot Springs" or "Truth or Consequences"? (Or as "T or C")? There's quite a few examples I could come up with, which means it's not that uncommon. And you see uptake depends on many factors.
- gtk40 4y ago
  Burma/Myanmar unfortunately has more scrutiny because it's a current political issue. Some see the new name as associated with the current military government. The US officially calls the country Burma (e.g., CIA World Factbook: https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/burma/ https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/burma/ )
  - wrp 4y ago
    There was also Cambodia/Kampuchea, with the latter name associated with the Khmer Rouge regime.
Kon-Peki 4y ago
> the government will be formally requesting the use of “Turkiye” instead of the anglicized “Turkey” in all international forums. It seems that it absolutely is something that a nation can request and other nations should comply with - unless... Is there some controversy? I mean, the timing of this request makes one think that perhaps it is a negotiating tactic with allowing NATO expansion.
somedude895 4y ago
It's not like they're gonna try to get US courts to force you to use the new name. Generally what happens is they ask all the international institutions like UN to refer to them as Türkiye, then the media might pick up on it, so you'll see the new name used more and more often, until at some point it maybe catches on in casual speaking.
JoeAltmaier 4y ago
Miss Manners says, the way you say somebody's name is, the way they tell you to say it. So in that vein, it would be boorish to object.
- wrp 4y ago
  In that case, the people of Deutschland would like a word.
  - eesmith 4y ago
    I don't believe the German government (nor most of the German people) has told us to use a different word in English, so Miss Manners' advice doesn't apply.
akhosravian 4y ago
Iran was known as Persian until 1935. “Iran” is the Persian word for the country, “Persia” comes to us via Greek. For some further context: “Persian” is the preferred term in English for the language spoken by most of the people of Iran. “Farsi” is the name of that language in that language. There is a language institute that manages formal rules (like French) and they prefer to keep the long association in western sources with the name “Persia” over a more native name — “farsi” is the Arabized form of the older “parsi”. This change is due to Arabic not having a p sound.
dkjaudyeqooe 4y ago
"Dutch" people who live in "Holland" know that all too well.
- iostream24 4y ago
  Holland being only one province of the Netherlands, or the Low Countries as it’s termed in multiple tongues including its own, and holland meaning highland , right ? Lol

eesmith 4y ago

Do you say "Burma" or "Myanmar"? There are many who deliberately use the former despite the latter being the official spelling in English. Indeed, by choosing one or the other, you could be implicitly taking a position on that country's internal affairs .. even if you aren't aware of the issue. Recently there's been a lot of support to use "Kyiv" instead of "Kiev". Almost everyone now uses "Beijing" instead of "Peking", excepting a few cases. "Bombay" or "Mumbai"? "Calcutta" or "Kolkata"? (See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_renamed_places_in_India https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_renamed_places_in_Indi... .) Do you refer to the city in New Mexico as "Hot Springs" or "Truth or Consequences"? (Or as "T or C")? There's quite a few examples I could come up with, which means it's not that uncommon. And you see uptake depends on many factors.

gtk40 4y ago
Burma/Myanmar unfortunately has more scrutiny because it's a current political issue. Some see the new name as associated with the current military government. The US officially calls the country Burma (e.g., CIA World Factbook: https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/burma/ https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/burma/ )
- wrp 4y ago
  There was also Cambodia/Kampuchea, with the latter name associated with the Khmer Rouge regime.

Kon-Peki 4y ago

> the government will be formally requesting the use of “Turkiye” instead of the anglicized “Turkey” in all international forums. It seems that it absolutely is something that a nation can request and other nations should comply with - unless... Is there some controversy? I mean, the timing of this request makes one think that perhaps it is a negotiating tactic with allowing NATO expansion.

somedude895 4y ago

It's not like they're gonna try to get US courts to force you to use the new name. Generally what happens is they ask all the international institutions like UN to refer to them as Türkiye, then the media might pick up on it, so you'll see the new name used more and more often, until at some point it maybe catches on in casual speaking.

JoeAltmaier 4y ago

Miss Manners says, the way you say somebody's name is, the way they tell you to say it. So in that vein, it would be boorish to object.

wrp 4y ago
In that case, the people of Deutschland would like a word.
- eesmith 4y ago
  I don't believe the German government (nor most of the German people) has told us to use a different word in English, so Miss Manners' advice doesn't apply.

akhosravian 4y ago

Iran was known as Persian until 1935. “Iran” is the Persian word for the country, “Persia” comes to us via Greek. For some further context: “Persian” is the preferred term in English for the language spoken by most of the people of Iran. “Farsi” is the name of that language in that language. There is a language institute that manages formal rules (like French) and they prefer to keep the long association in western sources with the name “Persia” over a more native name — “farsi” is the Arabized form of the older “parsi”. This change is due to Arabic not having a p sound.

dkjaudyeqooe 4y ago

"Dutch" people who live in "Holland" know that all too well.

iostream24 4y ago
Holland being only one province of the Netherlands, or the Low Countries as it’s termed in multiple tongues including its own, and holland meaning highland , right ? Lol