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> “That new customer to trucks is really being brought in, in my mind, by the Mega Power Frunk and by the Pro Power Onboard,” she says. “And some people are jus
by foobarian 4y ago
> “That new customer to trucks is really being brought in, in my mind, by the Mega Power Frunk and by the Pro Power Onboard,” she says. “And some people are just truly, really interested in this product as a backup generator.”
I don't know, we're an average family with a mid-size SUV and looking around for EVs, there is not much that is not a downgrade in capability. Model 3s are too small compared to a SUV, while X and Y cost a 100 grand. I wonder if this F150 interest it's because it's at last a big EV at a very affordable price.
(Edit: I misread the X&Y costs: X is over 100, Y is 50-60)
- rcMgD2BwE72F 4y ago>Model 3s are too small compared to a SUV, while X and Y cost a 100 grand Uh? Model Y AWD Long Range costs $64,990 in the US before gas savings and incentives. https://www.tesla.com/modely/design#overview https://www.tesla.com/modely/design#overview
- foobarian 4y agoMy apologies, I must have looked at the Model X data twice. I'll make a note.
- ubercore 4y agoY is getting more expensive, but is definitely still below 100k
- bryanlarsen 4y agoAt current gas prices, the lifetime TCO of a $70K Model Y is the same as a $40K gasoline SUV.
- SEJeff 4y agoThat’s not taking into account the lower maintenance costs is it? Massively fewer moving parts in an electric vehicle “engine” aka drive train means less things to break. The recommended service for a Model 3 or Model Y is every two years. No oil changes or alternators or fan belts etc.
- throwaway0a5e 4y agoPeople buying new cars don't care about lifetime TCO. They care about getting a trouble free 5-10yr. Maintenance costs on all vehicles (not just cars) are dominated by the stuff closest to the road, tires, brakes, wheel bearings and suspension/steering components, and stuff like that.
- bryanlarsen 4y agoLifetime TCO is the correct metric. Yes, a new car buyer is probably going to sell the car after 5 - 10 years. But he's going to be selling it to somebody who really does care about costs. If they didn't care about costs they wouldn't be buying a used car! So the second buyer is probably even more willing to pay a premium for an EV than the original buyer is. Example: Save $2000/year in fuel costs with an EV, the EV has 3 owners, each for 5 years. The last owner should be willing to pay a $10K premium, the second owner a $20K premium and the first owner a $30K premium.
- SEJeff 4y agoYou have significantly less brake wear on EVs that use regenerative braking (like Teslas). In fact, you use them significantly less due to the regen braking. It is easy to get really rusty brake pads post carwash because you use them so little. It is always recommended to make a point of using your brakes for a few days post carwash so this doesn't happen. All the rest of the time you can use one pedal driving for almost everything.
- enragedcacti 4y agoit probably is, you can try it out here if you'd like: https://keemut.com/tco https://keemut.com/tco I will say I don't really know how they come up with the maintenance numbers for EV or ICE. For a 2022 CR-V they quoted $7k for maintenance over 5 years which seems pretty high(4y/60k service plan would be under $2k easily from what I'm seeing), whereas a model Y over 5 years was at $700 which would be less than the cost of a single set of efficient tires rated for a vehicle as heavy as the Y.
- foobarian 4y agoRight, but the E F150 is listed at under $40k, and is bigger/has more utility. I was wondering how much the price contributed to the interest, vs. the extra outlets and backup capability.
- bryanlarsen 4y agoAnd the lifetime TCO of a $40K F-150 is lower than a free 15mpg truck. Insane. No wonder they have a massive waiting list.
- tootie 4y agoToo small for what? If you need to haul construction equipment or whatever, a decent pickup is mandatory. If you need to shuffle kids to soccer practice and the grocery store, pretty much any 4-door care will do fine.
- foobarian 4y agoToo small for trips where even a midsize SUV is bursting at the seams with stuff. This seems to require a model Y at a minimum, but a F150 seems like a dream come true.
- tootie 4y agoI've done loads of road trips with a family of 4 as both a kid and a parent and we never didn't fit in a 4-door. SUVs weren't even widely available until the 90s. Station wagons or minivans are more efficient for maximizing space for size. SUVs exist almost entirely for aesthetics.
- foobarian 4y ago> we never didn't fit in a 4-door. Well of course, presumably if you didn't fit there would have been no trip :-)