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Hmm, seems like nothing changed in Czech city bureaus. It still looks like this...

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qwerty456127 4y ago
Nice. Because once there is a good virus or an electromagnetic impulse all the computers are gone but the Czech society will apparently keep functioning without problems. Also less vulnerable to personal data theft. I always considered mass digitization madness. Since the days when there actually was no such digitization outside the US and I read about the first virus troubling the Americans.
- smcl 4y ago
  Well this specific part of that department of the ČR government won't be destroyed, but it would still end up being non-functional. Employees won't be able to communicate via phone or email, clock in or out (still an important thing here even in modern office jobs) or beep into the building. More importantly however, without the ability receive pay or transact the population at large won't be able to buy/sell beer and it's that which would result in a violent uprising here :D
  - saila 4y ago
    Regarding that last bit, that's something I'd like to see explored a bit more in apocalypse stories (whether due to a pandemic, natural disaster, civil breakdown, zombies, aliens, etc). If we lose our steady supply of caffeine, nicotine, and alcohol, after the first day or two people will absolutely lose their minds as withdrawal kicks in on a massive scale.
    - smcl 4y ago
      It's something that's said in a half-joking way here sometimes, that if taxes were hiked on beer there would be a(nother) revolution. I don't know if I agree, but it would certainly be political suicide for any party who took that position - they'd get crucified the next election cycle. However what I'm talking about is maybe a little different from what you mentioned. A sudden lack of supply in a commodity is something we've had in ČR before, a few years back there was a scandal where a group of guys pushed tainted spirits into the market and the sale of spirits were outright banned for a few weeks. It was kinda weird how little things changed.
- stepanhruda 4y ago
  Quite a sight to see a luddite on hacker news.
  - deleted 4y ago
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  - avgcorrection 4y ago
    Are you genuinely surprised? Or is this some sort of callout? In the land of the obese, the medium-sized man has an eating disorder.
    - stepanhruda 4y ago
      Ha good point and fitting username.
  - qwerty456127 4y ago
    Luddites believe "machines are stealing our jobs", I don't. I worry we depend on them as if they were unable to fail us.
- spanktheuser 4y ago
  Mass digitization would seem to have a considerable survivability advantage over paper storage. Fire, Russian artillery, flood etc could readily destroy this information. It's fairly common to have this happen throughout history - we lost the Universal Music Library in a fire a little more than a decade ago.
  - jefurii 4y ago
    Lots Of Copies Keeps Stuff Safe
    - dh2022 4y ago
      Isn't this one of the (many) reasons to use cloud computing? All major cloud computing vendors keep multiple copies in separate locations.
    - dredmorbius 4y ago
      If it worked for the Scholastics, it's good enough for us!
- marcinzm 4y ago
  >Because once there is a good virus or an electromagnetic impulse all the computers are gone but the Czech society will apparently keep functioning without problems. If there's an EMP then that basically means a nuke went off. I doubt this building will be any safer in that case. On the other hand a backed up geo-redundant digital system would survive anything short of a society ending set of nukes.
  - qwerty456127 4y ago
    AFAIK the sun produces powerful EMPs every some decades and it's already been worrisomly long since the last time it did.
  - GekkePrutser 4y ago
    An EMP is most efficiently produced by a nuke just above the atmosphere (or in the upper atmosphere), at that height the shock and heat effects would hardly be noticeable. It would really be dedicated to this effect, but it would have a pretty wide range at that altitude. I agree that this paperwork would be the least of the issues at that point though.

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Nice. Because once there is a good virus or an electromagnetic impulse all the computers are gone but the Czech society will apparently keep functioning without problems. Also less vulnerable to personal data theft. I always considered mass digitization madness. Since the days when there actually was no such digitization outside the US and I read about the first virus troubling the Americans.

smcl 4y ago
Well this specific part of that department of the ČR government won't be destroyed, but it would still end up being non-functional. Employees won't be able to communicate via phone or email, clock in or out (still an important thing here even in modern office jobs) or beep into the building. More importantly however, without the ability receive pay or transact the population at large won't be able to buy/sell beer and it's that which would result in a violent uprising here :D
- saila 4y ago
  Regarding that last bit, that's something I'd like to see explored a bit more in apocalypse stories (whether due to a pandemic, natural disaster, civil breakdown, zombies, aliens, etc). If we lose our steady supply of caffeine, nicotine, and alcohol, after the first day or two people will absolutely lose their minds as withdrawal kicks in on a massive scale.
  - smcl 4y ago
    It's something that's said in a half-joking way here sometimes, that if taxes were hiked on beer there would be a(nother) revolution. I don't know if I agree, but it would certainly be political suicide for any party who took that position - they'd get crucified the next election cycle. However what I'm talking about is maybe a little different from what you mentioned. A sudden lack of supply in a commodity is something we've had in ČR before, a few years back there was a scandal where a group of guys pushed tainted spirits into the market and the sale of spirits were outright banned for a few weeks. It was kinda weird how little things changed.
stepanhruda 4y ago
Quite a sight to see a luddite on hacker news.
- deleted 4y ago
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- avgcorrection 4y ago
  Are you genuinely surprised? Or is this some sort of callout? In the land of the obese, the medium-sized man has an eating disorder.
  - stepanhruda 4y ago
    Ha good point and fitting username.
- qwerty456127 4y ago
  Luddites believe "machines are stealing our jobs", I don't. I worry we depend on them as if they were unable to fail us.
spanktheuser 4y ago
Mass digitization would seem to have a considerable survivability advantage over paper storage. Fire, Russian artillery, flood etc could readily destroy this information. It's fairly common to have this happen throughout history - we lost the Universal Music Library in a fire a little more than a decade ago.
- jefurii 4y ago
  Lots Of Copies Keeps Stuff Safe
  - dh2022 4y ago
    Isn't this one of the (many) reasons to use cloud computing? All major cloud computing vendors keep multiple copies in separate locations.
  - dredmorbius 4y ago
    If it worked for the Scholastics, it's good enough for us!
marcinzm 4y ago
>Because once there is a good virus or an electromagnetic impulse all the computers are gone but the Czech society will apparently keep functioning without problems. If there's an EMP then that basically means a nuke went off. I doubt this building will be any safer in that case. On the other hand a backed up geo-redundant digital system would survive anything short of a society ending set of nukes.
- qwerty456127 4y ago
  AFAIK the sun produces powerful EMPs every some decades and it's already been worrisomly long since the last time it did.
- GekkePrutser 4y ago
  An EMP is most efficiently produced by a nuke just above the atmosphere (or in the upper atmosphere), at that height the shock and heat effects would hardly be noticeable. It would really be dedicated to this effect, but it would have a pretty wide range at that altitude. I agree that this paperwork would be the least of the issues at that point though.