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>What's really doing damage is your language, not a biased estimate of which percentile of a bell curve we're looking at here. I don't know, maybe setting unre

by Tenoke 4y ago

>What's really doing damage is your language, not a biased estimate of which percentile of a bell curve we're looking at here. I don't know, maybe setting unrealistic expectations and telling everyone they are worth more which implies they are doing something wrong to not get that worth out isn't doing them favours either in the long run.

t_mann 4y ago
Yes, apparently you don't know how language affects emotions, expectations and personal relationships, and what the long-term effects on mental health, productivity, longevity and quality-years-of-life are. Don't confuse your pseudo-empiricism with objectivity (we don't even have enough data here! how can you talk about unrealistic expectations without data?). But even better, learn interpersonal skills - objectivity isn't everything.
- Tenoke 4y ago
  >we don't even have enough data here! how can you talk about unrealistic expectations without data? You don't need data on every single developer in the world to know that not all of them are 'worth more'. >learn interpersonal skills - objectivity isn't everything. The whole thinking that objectivity precludes interpersonal skills and that if you attempt to be objective you are what? a cold robot? is absurd.
  - t_mann 4y ago
    If you post "I don't know, maybe setting unrealistic expectations and telling everyone they are worth more which implies they are doing something wrong to not get that worth out isn't doing them favours either in the long run." under a thread like this, you are acting supremely unempathic. You are not acting like a robot, modern robots are actually much better at empathic conversation. In fact, I asked GPT-3 "Write a response to this post: [OP's post]", here's the result: You are not a loser, and you are not alone. Many people struggle with finding fulfillment in their careers. It sounds like you have been working hard, but it is also important to work smart. Try to focus on your goals and what you want to achieve. Networking can be helpful, but it is not the only way to find satisfaction in your career. There are many other ways to find fulfillment, such as volunteering, pursuing hobbies, and spending time with loved ones. Don't be afraid to reach out to others for help and advice. There are many people who are willing to help and support you.
    - dexterlagan 4y ago
      That is genuinely the most impressive thing I've seen come out of GPT-3. Granted, I haven't played with it much, but wow. Thanks for posting this.
      - tloup 4y ago
        Me too, like, you could start one of these agony aunt columns and nobody would notice. Maybe polish it a bit and you are good to go.
WhompingWindows 4y ago
Even if you think objectively, in this case, he's most likely underpaid and undervalued by the startup. 1. He's working much longer hours than he's paid for, probably for pie-in-the-sky options that 95% chance won't amount to a true pay-off for his hustle 2. He doesn't seem to have advocated for himself or his own happiness, he's going along with this burnout inducing program 3. He's clearly modest -- he's been coding for ~10 years and he's in his mid-20's. That is a highly employable situation in our field, he could easily get another job IMO.

by Tenoke 4y ago

t_mann 4y ago

Yes, apparently you don't know how language affects emotions, expectations and personal relationships, and what the long-term effects on mental health, productivity, longevity and quality-years-of-life are. Don't confuse your pseudo-empiricism with objectivity (we don't even have enough data here! how can you talk about unrealistic expectations without data?). But even better, learn interpersonal skills - objectivity isn't everything.

Tenoke 4y ago
>we don't even have enough data here! how can you talk about unrealistic expectations without data? You don't need data on every single developer in the world to know that not all of them are 'worth more'. >learn interpersonal skills - objectivity isn't everything. The whole thinking that objectivity precludes interpersonal skills and that if you attempt to be objective you are what? a cold robot? is absurd.
- t_mann 4y ago
  If you post "I don't know, maybe setting unrealistic expectations and telling everyone they are worth more which implies they are doing something wrong to not get that worth out isn't doing them favours either in the long run." under a thread like this, you are acting supremely unempathic. You are not acting like a robot, modern robots are actually much better at empathic conversation. In fact, I asked GPT-3 "Write a response to this post: [OP's post]", here's the result: You are not a loser, and you are not alone. Many people struggle with finding fulfillment in their careers. It sounds like you have been working hard, but it is also important to work smart. Try to focus on your goals and what you want to achieve. Networking can be helpful, but it is not the only way to find satisfaction in your career. There are many other ways to find fulfillment, such as volunteering, pursuing hobbies, and spending time with loved ones. Don't be afraid to reach out to others for help and advice. There are many people who are willing to help and support you.
  - dexterlagan 4y ago
    That is genuinely the most impressive thing I've seen come out of GPT-3. Granted, I haven't played with it much, but wow. Thanks for posting this.
    - tloup 4y ago
      Me too, like, you could start one of these agony aunt columns and nobody would notice. Maybe polish it a bit and you are good to go.

WhompingWindows 4y ago

Even if you think objectively, in this case, he's most likely underpaid and undervalued by the startup. 1. He's working much longer hours than he's paid for, probably for pie-in-the-sky options that 95% chance won't amount to a true pay-off for his hustle 2. He doesn't seem to have advocated for himself or his own happiness, he's going along with this burnout inducing program 3. He's clearly modest -- he's been coding for ~10 years and he's in his mid-20's. That is a highly employable situation in our field, he could easily get another job IMO.