> For people happy to clock out and try to convince others to do the same, that devalues the experience for others who ARE there to work as hard & creatively as

> For people happy to clock out and try to convince others to do the same, that devalues the experience for others who ARE there to work as hard & creatively as they can to do amazing things with like-minded individuals. “Clocking out” is not incompatible with “work as hard & creatively as they can to do amazing things with like-minded individuals”, far from it. Particularly in academia, where inspiration and reflection is important. Getting out for a walk, a dinner with friends, watching movies, etc are all opportunities to broaden your outlook on things and be more productive in the long run. Far too often I have seen people “working hard” spending way too much time working on something because they did not really take the time to think about where they were going (including amongst the PhD students I work with in my lab). This leads to tunnel vision and abusive behaviour way too often.