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>some of the pictures could only be described as “disastrous” I dunno, I think a stained glass window of a finch with Charles Darwin's head is pretty great, pe

>some of the pictures could only be described as “disastrous” I dunno, I think a stained glass window of a finch with Charles Darwin's head is pretty great, personally

AgentME 4y ago
It seems like DALL-E is exceptional if you're willing to go with what it wants to make, and a total slog if you have very specific requirements.
- cageface 4y ago
  I’ve come to similar conclusions with midjourney. The most interesting outputs come from giving it very vague prompts and then doing a lot of manual curation of the results.
  - minikomi 4y ago
    Interesting how you can apply this method to many other creative pursuits .. start wide, abstract and loose; refine with taste and purpose.
- samstave 4y ago
  >...is exceptional if you're willing to go with what it wants to make, and a total slog if you have very specific requirements. The same can be said with respect to how a great many treat most of their relationships, both personally, professionally, politically...
  - jcims 4y ago
    So DALL-E is more of an artist than a slave?
    - samstave 4y ago
      DALL-E: (puffs e-cig in French) “Give me two hours a day of activity, and I’ll take the other twenty two in dreams of electric sheep.”
      - samstave 4y ago
        (Thats an actual Dali quote, BTW) ((minus "of electric sheep" part))
    - Rexxar 4y ago
      Seems logical. Isn't the name a reference to Salvador Dali ?
  - kaetemi 4y ago
    At some point if you make your AI advanced enough it'll generate you wrong answers just out of spite.
    - samstave 4y ago
      C:\>NOTmyDOS.bat
- westoncb 4y ago
  IIRC they provide some mechanism for fine-tuning: they showed a demo where you could erase portions, re-prompt and have it re-generate in the deleted area. It seems like a pretty good general way to work toward specific requirements, though I haven't tried it.
  - willhinsa 4y ago
    That sounds phenomenal.
- vintermann 4y ago
  Like any true artist
- native_samples 4y ago
  Google claims to have a new DALL-E like model that does much better in precise instruction, due to using text models in different ways: https://imagen.research.google/ https://imagen.research.google/ Unfortunately the impact of Imagen will be low like all the other Google models because, as keeps happening, they don't trust people enough to actually release it, not even in demo form: "Imagen relies on text encoders trained on uncurated web-scale data, and thus inherits the social biases and limitations of large language models. As such, there is a risk that Imagen has encoded harmful stereotypes and representations, which guides our decision to not release Imagen for public use without further safeguards in place." This seems to be emerging as a clear pattern - OpenAI trains an AI and then opens it to a group of select invitees (the usual suspects) with lots of opaque T&Cs that restrict what they're allowed to say about it [1]. For example, OpenAI forbids users from sharing any outputs that contain realistic faces even though the AI generates such pictures all the time, even when not requested [2]. This is reminiscent of how RDBMS vendors forbid users from publishing benchmarks and usually results in people giving OpenAI some stick for not living up to their name. But OpenAI is still light years more open than Google, which routinely announces just months later that they've trained an AI far better than anything OpenAI produced, but doesn't provide any evidence beyond their own cherry picked examples. The justification given is always the same: the AI has learned un-woke things like the fact that certain jobs tend to be done by specific genders, and would generate examples based on that learnings. And because the Google researchers are crazy they think that seeing pictures of white male builders or young female nurses would be actually dangerous to the public, so they just don't provide any API access at all, not even to little select lists of friends. IMO this is turning into a serious problem for AI research. It's already notoriously non-reproducible, but OpenAI's work is at least auditable. People can do experiments on DALL-E and see that it's real for themselves, explore the limits and come up with ways to handle them, as is happening here. They could in future build apps that use them. In contrast Google, who should by all rights be at the forefront of this space, keeps getting eclipsed by OpenAI again and again because they're now so woke that they've retreated into a tiny little purity bubble. They claim that they'll make their AIs available when they figured out how to brainwash them to have the right views, but they were claiming this is an "open problem" for years and never seem to release anything. So all the talk is about GPT-3 and DALL-E and Google's equivalents just get forgotten. [1] https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/uKp6tBFStnsvrot5t/what-dall-e-2-can-and-cannot-do?commentId=vAxnyEJFBKMeA26a2 https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/uKp6tBFStnsvrot5t/what-dall-... [2] https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/uKp6tBFStnsvrot5t/what-dall-e-2-can-and-cannot-do#Realistic_human_faces https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/uKp6tBFStnsvrot5t/what-dall-...
bryanrasmussen 4y ago
I think I would definitely throw away most of the other stuff and restart with a theory that each of the people should have their heads on birds' bodies. Tycho Brahe should definitely be an Owl. Alexandra Elbakyan is evidently going to be a raven, however could probably ask her which bird she would want her head on. Since this is virtues we can also go looking for help in the symbolism of birds https://worldbirds.com/bird-symbolism/ https://worldbirds.com/bird-symbolism/ which tells us for example that the Swan symbolizes "Light, twin flame, purity", so I guess the Swan would be lightness, but then who's head should be on it? I propose W.B Yeats because of the Wild Swans at Coole https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/43288/the-wild-swans-at-coole https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/43288/the-wild-swans-... Not sure what birds the others should have their heads affixed to, but I think this is definitely the way I would go as soon as I saw Darwin's head on the finch.
rob74 4y ago
The ones that made me laugh were the Tycho Brahe ones. It takes some time to realize that he's not looking through the telescope, but wistfully staring at it (or past it). Especially in the first moose picture, he seems to be looking at the telescope and asking himself "what the heck is this thing?!" - which is appropriate, since as other commenters mentioned, telescopes weren't yet invented during his lifetime...

>some of the pictures could only be described as “disastrous” I dunno, I think a stained glass window of a finch with Charles Darwin's head is pretty great, personally

AgentME 4y ago

It seems like DALL-E is exceptional if you're willing to go with what it wants to make, and a total slog if you have very specific requirements.

cageface 4y ago
I’ve come to similar conclusions with midjourney. The most interesting outputs come from giving it very vague prompts and then doing a lot of manual curation of the results.
- minikomi 4y ago
  Interesting how you can apply this method to many other creative pursuits .. start wide, abstract and loose; refine with taste and purpose.
samstave 4y ago
>...is exceptional if you're willing to go with what it wants to make, and a total slog if you have very specific requirements. The same can be said with respect to how a great many treat most of their relationships, both personally, professionally, politically...
- jcims 4y ago
  So DALL-E is more of an artist than a slave?
  - samstave 4y ago
    DALL-E: (puffs e-cig in French) “Give me two hours a day of activity, and I’ll take the other twenty two in dreams of electric sheep.”
    - samstave 4y ago
      (Thats an actual Dali quote, BTW) ((minus "of electric sheep" part))
  - Rexxar 4y ago
    Seems logical. Isn't the name a reference to Salvador Dali ?
- kaetemi 4y ago
  At some point if you make your AI advanced enough it'll generate you wrong answers just out of spite.
  - samstave 4y ago
    C:\>NOTmyDOS.bat
westoncb 4y ago
IIRC they provide some mechanism for fine-tuning: they showed a demo where you could erase portions, re-prompt and have it re-generate in the deleted area. It seems like a pretty good general way to work toward specific requirements, though I haven't tried it.
- willhinsa 4y ago
  That sounds phenomenal.
vintermann 4y ago
Like any true artist
native_samples 4y ago
Google claims to have a new DALL-E like model that does much better in precise instruction, due to using text models in different ways: https://imagen.research.google/ https://imagen.research.google/ Unfortunately the impact of Imagen will be low like all the other Google models because, as keeps happening, they don't trust people enough to actually release it, not even in demo form: "Imagen relies on text encoders trained on uncurated web-scale data, and thus inherits the social biases and limitations of large language models. As such, there is a risk that Imagen has encoded harmful stereotypes and representations, which guides our decision to not release Imagen for public use without further safeguards in place." This seems to be emerging as a clear pattern - OpenAI trains an AI and then opens it to a group of select invitees (the usual suspects) with lots of opaque T&Cs that restrict what they're allowed to say about it [1]. For example, OpenAI forbids users from sharing any outputs that contain realistic faces even though the AI generates such pictures all the time, even when not requested [2]. This is reminiscent of how RDBMS vendors forbid users from publishing benchmarks and usually results in people giving OpenAI some stick for not living up to their name. But OpenAI is still light years more open than Google, which routinely announces just months later that they've trained an AI far better than anything OpenAI produced, but doesn't provide any evidence beyond their own cherry picked examples. The justification given is always the same: the AI has learned un-woke things like the fact that certain jobs tend to be done by specific genders, and would generate examples based on that learnings. And because the Google researchers are crazy they think that seeing pictures of white male builders or young female nurses would be actually dangerous to the public, so they just don't provide any API access at all, not even to little select lists of friends. IMO this is turning into a serious problem for AI research. It's already notoriously non-reproducible, but OpenAI's work is at least auditable. People can do experiments on DALL-E and see that it's real for themselves, explore the limits and come up with ways to handle them, as is happening here. They could in future build apps that use them. In contrast Google, who should by all rights be at the forefront of this space, keeps getting eclipsed by OpenAI again and again because they're now so woke that they've retreated into a tiny little purity bubble. They claim that they'll make their AIs available when they figured out how to brainwash them to have the right views, but they were claiming this is an "open problem" for years and never seem to release anything. So all the talk is about GPT-3 and DALL-E and Google's equivalents just get forgotten. [1] https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/uKp6tBFStnsvrot5t/what-dall-e-2-can-and-cannot-do?commentId=vAxnyEJFBKMeA26a2 https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/uKp6tBFStnsvrot5t/what-dall-... [2] https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/uKp6tBFStnsvrot5t/what-dall-e-2-can-and-cannot-do#Realistic_human_faces https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/uKp6tBFStnsvrot5t/what-dall-...

bryanrasmussen 4y ago

I think I would definitely throw away most of the other stuff and restart with a theory that each of the people should have their heads on birds' bodies. Tycho Brahe should definitely be an Owl. Alexandra Elbakyan is evidently going to be a raven, however could probably ask her which bird she would want her head on. Since this is virtues we can also go looking for help in the symbolism of birds https://worldbirds.com/bird-symbolism/ https://worldbirds.com/bird-symbolism/ which tells us for example that the Swan symbolizes "Light, twin flame, purity", so I guess the Swan would be lightness, but then who's head should be on it? I propose W.B Yeats because of the Wild Swans at Coole https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/43288/the-wild-swans-at-coole https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/43288/the-wild-swans-... Not sure what birds the others should have their heads affixed to, but I think this is definitely the way I would go as soon as I saw Darwin's head on the finch.

rob74 4y ago

The ones that made me laugh were the Tycho Brahe ones. It takes some time to realize that he's not looking through the telescope, but wistfully staring at it (or past it). Especially in the first moose picture, he seems to be looking at the telescope and asking himself "what the heck is this thing?!" - which is appropriate, since as other commenters mentioned, telescopes weren't yet invented during his lifetime...